Trump_1776 PFS Log - (Cortisol/T3 at 2/20/20)

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Do you know if there is a connection with your T while on TRT converting to estrogen making you actually feel worse Ed symptoms wise ?

Do you know if there is a connection with lowering your Estrogen with armidex while on TRT making you feel better ED symptoms wise ?

Where I’m going with this is blood estrogen levels going up or down on paper may not be what you want to go by ...

There is plenty of evidence that suggests in PFS guys we just need a different T/estrogen ratio than most to feel normal.

Despite what the armidex is doing on paper how is it effecting the most significant symptoms ? If the answer is it’s making them worse I would not take armidex or any over the counter AI on or off TRT.

I also unless natural means does not get your T to normal levels would not take TRT. The Tongkat is raising your natural T levels so it is real T. You are feeling better initially on higher doses of TRT simply because it’ raising your T levels higher and faster than herb cycling. But than the T stops working for a reason that we don’t completely understand which most likely has nothing to do with estrogen. Just my thoughts not trying to sound like I know more than anyone else here because I don’t . It’s just my opinion don’t take T or any AI’s. Either one of these things has not once cured a “real” PFS case. Instead both of these things only makes a “real” PFS case worse. When I say “real” PFS case I’m not taking about someone who took Fin or Saw P noticed things were not right and than raised their T through TRT or through herb cycling and got better in a few months . That is not real PFS. That’s my T crashed from fin or Saw P so I increased it and my symptoms went away . I’m just looking out that’s all . Play with DHT and thyroid and get off TRT and armidex

Putting this another way:

If raising my T to let’s say 500 ng/dl via CD’s protocol does not cure me why would raising my T to let’s say 800 ng/dl cure me ? It would not because if the reasonable level of 500 ng/dl for a guy in their mid thirties does not cure me than it’s clearly not T. So why would the above average 800 ng/dl T level while on TRT for a guy in their mid thirties cure me . It wouldn’t. If you don’t get cured from mid range T that the majority of population of similar ages people have and are healthy with why would more T work ? Obviously if I did not have PFS going from 500-800 would make me feel better... but I do have PFS so it won’t. All it’s Doing is nothing for PFS, giving you primary and secondary hypogonadism , making you dependent on TRT and costing you money. It’s also creating the need on paper for armidex which killed one PFS guy, made me a lot worse and has made other PFS guys worse.
After talking with some guys on various bodybuilding sites, it's possible that the adex that I recieved is bunk. I dont know, it's name brand adex but I got it from alldaychemist. All i do know is that it doesnt work, but the sns inhibit e OTC stuff does, and very well. Today I feel much better, got a whole day of work done.

I have no doubt my testosterone is not where it needs to be, as evident by drive and muscle hardness. Upping my T helps with both of those. Sex drive wise, when my E is higher, I have pretty strong libido and better erectile function, but the anxiety is debilitating. Too low of E and I don't have any sexual desire, and no body odor, etc.

It's simply me trying to find a balance. I've never attempted a TRT protocol before with handling of estrogen, and the SNS inhibit E may just allow me to do that now, so we'll see.

One thing is for sure, my original body chemistry comes with sweaty pits, oily face, and sex drive. That is how I am gauging my progress, but it's going to take time and as we know, bloods are worthless.

The arimidex did nothing to help against estrogen, this might be why I've made no progress this route in the past.
 
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After talking with some guys on various bodybuilding sites, it's possible that the adex that I recieved is bunk. I dont know, it's name brand adex but I got it from alldaychemist. All i do know is that it doesnt work, but the sns inhibit e OTC stuff does, and very well. Today I feel much better, got a whole day of work done.

I have no doubt my testosterone is not where it needs to be, as evident by drive and muscle hardness. Upping my T helps with both of those. Sex drive wise, when my E is higher, I have pretty strong libido and better erectile function, but the anxiety is debilitating. Too low of E and I don't have any sexual desire, and no body odor, etc.

It's simply me trying to find a balance. I've never attempted a TRT protocol before with handling of estrogen, and the SNS inhibit E may just allow me to do that now, so we'll see.

One thing is for sure, my original body chemistry comes with sweaty pits, oily face, and sex drive. That is how I am gauging my progress, but it's going to take time and as we know, bloods are worthless.

The arimidex did nothing to help against estrogen, this might be why I've made no progress this route in the past.

so do/did you have shrinkage muscle mass loss etc before doing trt and I thought you were on a natural protocol like cdnuts how was your libido before trt. I really thinking about jumping on trt after all these years to see if it will help some but then I bitch out of that route plus money is tight at the moment
 

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so do/did you have shrinkage muscle mass loss etc before doing trt and I thought you were on a natural protocol like cdnuts how was your libido before trt. I really thinking about jumping on trt after all these years to see if it will help some but then I bitch out of that route plus money is tight at the moment
Yeah, CD's protocol worked pretty well but didn't stick to any degree. DHT by itself just didn't cut it. Like I said im still experimenting man i domt wanna get you involved in something that I can't say for sure is working, but I'm seeing some gains
 

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2/20/20 -

Beginning more serious investigation into cortisol and T3.

-Took prednisone for back a litte while ago, 20mg, felt old energy and personality return.
-Do have hydrocortisone (cortef, purchased from alldaychemist)
-Does not seem to illicit same responses at 40mg a day. In fact, at lower doses, it makes me tired. 40mg is just beginning to scratch the surface.
-Have ordered dexamethasone.

-Have t3 on hand

This may take months of trial and error.
Will report.
 

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2/20/20 -

Beginning more serious investigation into cortisol and T3.

-Took prednisone for back a litte while ago, 20mg, felt old energy and personality return.
-Do have hydrocortisone (cortef, purchased from alldaychemist)
-Does not seem to illicit same responses at 40mg a day. In fact, at lower doses, it makes me tired. 40mg is just beginning to scratch the surface.
-Have ordered dexamethasone.

-Have t3 on hand

This may take months of trial and error.
Will report.
If you want to optimize thyroid and cortisol, b2 protocol can do that. And you won't have to rely on medications forever. Eventually you'll be able to get off nutrition.

Just throwing it out there. But for a quick fix, dexa definitely worth a shot. Several stories of pfs guys with only sexual issues recovered after dexa. Its an interesting approach.
 
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just do that protocol I told you to. It should work.

You need to inhibit autoimmune. with cortisol, and at the same time flush out reverse t3.

When thyroid lifts up it will be creating oxidative stress and ROS and autoimmune should not turn on again.

so body will lower activation of NADPH oxidase, JAKs etc. it will switch off autoimmune.

as of now body is spending B2 iron, magnesium and active vit D to make NADPH oxidase to keep AUTOIMMUNE running high.

@Trump_1776
 

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2/20/20 -

Beginning more serious investigation into cortisol and T3.

-Took prednisone for back a litte while ago, 20mg, felt old energy and personality return.
-Do have hydrocortisone (cortef, purchased from alldaychemist)
-Does not seem to illicit same responses at 40mg a day. In fact, at lower doses, it makes me tired. 40mg is just beginning to scratch the surface.
-Have ordered dexamethasone.

-Have t3 on hand

This may take months of trial and error.
Will report.
Wait so are you taking Prednisone with the t3 with it at the same time?
 

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just do that protocol I told you to. It should work.

You need to inhibit autoimmune. with cortisol, and at the same time flush out reverse t3.

When thyroid lifts up it will be creating oxidative stress and ROS and autoimmune should not turn on again.

so body will lower activation of NADPH oxidase, JAKs etc. it will switch off autoimmune.

as of now body is spending B2 iron, magnesium and active vit D to make NADPH oxidase to keep AUTOIMMUNE running high.

@Trump_1776
Do you have any recommendations for T3 dosages because I've seen them all over the map
 

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I'm confused, you just wrote:

Took prednisone for back a litte while ago, 20mg, felt old energy and personality return
What are you confused about? The taking of the prednisone is what sparked me going down this avenue. I took the pred in the past.
Alldaychemist does not carry prednisone however, so I decided to use dexa, which others have good experience with, and has a longer half life.
 

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What are you confused about? The taking of the prednisone is what sparked me going down this avenue. I took the pred in the past.
Alldaychemist does not carry prednisone however, so I decided to use dexa, which others have good experience with, and has a longer half life.
I'm saying did you take did you take T3 with the prednisone at all, jesus christ.
 

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I'm saying did you take did you take T3 with the prednisone at all, jesus christ.
Well shit dude just phrase your questions better.
No. Done em separately
 

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This is one example of a lot of people not being able to tolerate hydrocortisone, and replacing it with either prednisone or dexa. I've seen at least 7+ instances of people talking about it. I don't know why, but I'm one of them.
 

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Fantastic article that highlights and explains the foundation for this protocol.
Worth the read.
 

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This is one example of a lot of people not being able to tolerate hydrocortisone, and replacing it with either prednisone or dexa. I've seen at least 7+ instances of people talking about it. I don't know why, but I'm one of them.
Based on those users descriptions from the Reddit screen shots I’m not sure that it was an issue of not being able to tolerate hydrocortisone for those people but more of an issue of it not being enough to satisfy their glucocorticoid need. The dexa is clearly stronger according to the chart you posted. Also the studies I have read show different glucocorticoids having different affinity for the receptors.
 
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Fantastic article that highlights and explains the foundation for this protocol.
Worth the read.
Cat HIV knows as “FIV”

I seen a family guy episode once with a cat that had “feline HIV” but I did not realize this was a real thing.

Study suggests fixing cortisol-estrogen hormonal imbalances in cats making the feline immunodeficiency better and this being possible path to explore further in humans.

Where is the connection with T3 as far as explaining the protocol as it relates to taking cortisol with T3?
 

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Cat HIV knows as “FIV”

I seen a family guy episode once with a cat that had “feline HIV” but I did not realize this was a real thing.

Study suggests fixing cortisol-estrogen hormonal imbalances in cats making the feline immunodeficiency better and this being possible path to explore further in humans.

Where is the connection with T3 as far as explaining the protocol as it relates to taking cortisol with T3?
It's one part of it. Specifically where it mentions cortisol helping with t3 bounding
 
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Intro(PFS):

Finasteride 1mg taken for a time period of roughly a year and a half. Side effects (ED, Fatigue) were almost immediate, continued on medication in hopes hormones would level out. Went through periods of recovery where libido returned briefly, then vanished.
Finally after losing a girlfriend of 3 years due to mainly my fatigue, I sent upon a recovery journey. My original bloods on 2/2018 showed low normal testosterone. As per usual, the doctors I went to offered me nothing, so I relied on the internet. I quickly adopted much of the CD Nuts protocol.


My personal Herb rotation consisted of tribulus, longjack, horny goat weed, oat straw extract, maca root powder, mucuna pruiens, and some Glycine and Niacin supplementation. At first and still today, I react very well to Tribulus. The first day I took it, my energy skyrocketed. I want to quickly let everyone know here I have not purchased a single item from Lost Empire - CD Nuts affiliated enterprise. I got everything MUCH CHEAPER and FASTER with Bulk Supplements of Amazon, and will continue to do so.
Now at the same time as the herbs, instead of lifting weights (Which I will get back to here in a bit) I instead opted to start working on a large farm. This was going to be my workout routine, and it also paid so it made sense. In addition to my low testosterone levels mentioned earlier, my Vitamin D levels were very very low. I took 10,000IU of Vitamin D Daily for months, until around the end of July. I have not re-tested my Vitamin D levels.


To date I have done 3 R-Andro cycles. My cycles were short cycles, because I am in college and don't make much money (really I spend it on guns and tools) I only bought one "can" per cycle. I was taking 2 caps daily, which is relatively small potatoes compared to CD Nuts protocol, but I did not feel more or longer was needed. This worked out to my cycles lasting 30 days each.

First Cycle: Noticed Nothing
Second Cycle: Very High Libido
Third Cycle( With 4 andro): Energy and emotional little bitch mode because of the aromatization.

Safe to say, I won't be using 4 andro again. I was so fucking emotional dude, if that is what it is like to be a girl God damn am I happy to be man.


I digress....
At the end of the 3rd cycle, after a couple weeks I was feeling very well. I was having 99% consistent morning wood, and erectile quality was fairly high, say 85/90%.
At this point in time I then decided I had established a well enough baseline to do 3 things:
1. Quit anti-depressants
2. Quit Tobacco
3. Quit excessive masturbation with porn

1 and 3 has been something I have lived with for a long time. I began taking antidepressants in middle-school, and masturbation from a very very early age. Both of these I'm sure have taken a serious toll on me over the course of my life. For those interested, I have come to the understanding my depression was caused most likely by hormone imbalances and/or the taking of adderal as a child. I can not afford to curse the past, so I have moved on.
This being said, I have been tobacco free for 2 or so months, and anti-depressant free for around 2/3 weeks. In honesty, I lost count of both - to me the count isn't as important as just abstaining.

Quitting tobacco was quite easy, I just came to the understand it wasn't helping my erectile help, so that was a very easy decision to make. I also quit with a friend of mine and we're both doing well. Quitting anti-depressants was also easy for me. I was on Wellbutrin, and I titrated the dose for around 3 weeks and got off. I have noticed a tad bit of anxiety but I chalk that up to being absolutely stress free my entire life and never actually having to deal with it. Key work though was "noticed," I do not have this problem anymore.

Now, after quitting anti-depressants, there was a libido change. I am not surprised by this, and I am under the understanding that with continued herb-cycling and R-andro cycling, I will be fine. Where I am now is I do not have a ton of spontaneous erections, but I can maintain a full-size one. Additionally, morning wood has not been as consistent since dropping anti-depressants, which is to be expected. I am happy, I am on the road to recovery, and I will keep everyone updated. CD Nuts protocol absolutely worked for me. I was an absolute wreck prior to doing this.

Now, interestingly enough, I mentioned before I was not a fan of working out. Since quitting Antidepressants, I have been working out consistently. This may have to do with a pretty good look chick I work with that I wouldn't mine giving a kid real quick. Not gonna lie.

Hair Growth Protocol:
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Week 6 ______________________________________________________ _________Day 2

As of week 6, slowly but surely I can confidently say I am growing hair back. Hopefully these pictures will show everyone - you can imagine if the lighting was darker in the week 6 photo like the day-2 photo, what progress there was.

I have been self-scalp injecting growth factor serum.
I usethis (Click for Ebay Link)

Obviously, I will let everyone know I'm not from Thailand, I have never been to Thailand, and don't have any reason for going to Thailand. You can read up on ingredients. It has a bunch of amino acids, as well as growth factors like IGF-1 and VEGF.

I basically do mesotherapy myself. I purchased a bunch of half-inch needles and 1mL syringes. I fill it up, and inject a couple drops every half a centimeter. The whole process takes 10 minutes. In fact, I'm due for one tonight.

Now, that product comes with 10 vials of 5mL of stuff. For the first 6 weeks, that was with 2.5mL a week. I have since moved up to 5mL a week, and will of course report results.
The trick is only pushing the needle in a millimeter or so, and then injecting. It will form a visible bubble on the scalp at the injection site. This means you're doing it correctly.
In addition to this, I also salt scrub with epsom salt, and I aim an infrared heat bulb once a day or so at the scalp for 25/30 minutes while I'm watching TV at night or playing Xbox.
The infrared light therapy does work for inflammation for myself, no doubt about it. About once a week, I will dermaroll as well with 1mm needles.

That's about it. I'll be here if anyone needs anything or has any questions, and I'm often on Discord.
Hi, how is your hair protocol going on? Do you experienced further benefits?