Trump_1776 PFS Log - (Cortisol/T3 at 2/20/20)

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Interesting development:
Cycled off the DHT and Cialis. Now, during that week and a halfish cycle I spent a lot of time with penile stretching and got some good blood flowing. I'm pleased to say I am doing well in that department having cycled off.

Additionally, the use of DHEA 25mg xa day seems to be serving me well as well. Fatigue down, mood up, voice substancially lower. I am raising it to 50mg twice a day and will update. Ill do another DHT cialis run here in a bit.
Holy crap, that is a lot of DHEA. When I used 10mg I felt super irritable and I think much of it aromatized.
 

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Did you play with DHT specifically? I am thinking of trying this as I am in such difficult shape.
I did use proviron long long time ago at the beginning of my PFS and it didn’t crash/hurt me.
What I was speaking about in the post you quoted is DHEA, that shit crashed me hardly
 

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My current update is I started messing around with Thyroid medication and hydrocortisone.
After playing around a bit, I can only handle a real small amount of hydrocortisone and actually have found that t3 alone (20mcg daily) has me feeling quite well. The addition of HC only bring along anxiety, a feeling a describe as worry in the stomach. Fucking trash.

So i will remain on this for a bit and see what happens. Also taking iodine and selenium and vitamin d.
 

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My current update is I started messing around with Thyroid medication and hydrocortisone.
After playing around a bit, I can only handle a real small amount of hydrocortisone and actually have found that t3 alone (20mcg daily) has me feeling quite well. The addition of HC only bring along anxiety, a feeling a describe as worry in the stomach. Fucking trash.

So i will remain on this for a bit and see what happens. Also taking iodine and selenium and vitamin d.
TRUMP!!!
Why did you take hydrocortisone?
 

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How is NoFap going?
I also began porn and masturbation at very young age and still struggling to quit
Its a fuckin struggle dude.
 

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Fatigue, and reading wufs posts. Just curiosity
HC is not an easy drug...
I mean, you feel anxious,stressed, iperattive and super nervous while on it...depending from the dosage you use...
so,don’t be surprised if you feel not comfortable while using it.
 

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HC is not an easy drug...
I mean, you feel anxious,stressed, iperattive and super nervous while on it...depending from the dosage you use...
so,don’t be surprised if you feel not comfortable while using it.
Yeah the anxiety from it sucks
 

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Yeah the anxiety from it sucks
This is how I felt on licorice extract. Was not a huge deal for me other than it just being a clearly unnatural feeling. For me though it made my other symptoms worse combined with the anxiety feeling. I was not viewing this as a suck It up now and get a snap back later mainly because it made all my symptoms worse while on it. If I was just getting anxiety while on it I may have been open to a snap back later as wuf appears to be describing. In fact, I never got any positive snap back from my 3 day licorice extract run . Just lingering worsening of all side effects that I eventually recovered from in a few weeks

My opinion .. I don’t think non PFS people would feel like this to this degree on cortisol
 

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So to update, I've taken a break from Thyroid/Cortisol manipulation.
Basically at this point I've tried about everything. I will note that running the T3 made things kinda groggy after a while, and I just could not get the Cortisone to work with me. There was no happy medium found that ilI could attain for any amount of time, this is with playing around with T4 as well.
Cool news is that I do have a higher body temperature after stopping, and seem to sweat in both armpits now (previously only sweated in my left pit.)
Also, just cause I basically have just been fucking around now, I revisited testosterone and proviron and have some stuff to share.
Testosterone works really well for the first couple days, and then I start HEAVY estrogen conversion. I mean like, .75mg Arimidex needed daily to curb it. It's not sustainable. I get emotional, and anxiety. What I have found though, is that 50mg of Proviron sublingually returns my libido! Previously I was only taking it orally.
So for now, just gonna fuck around with that. I can feel an immeasurable calm go through me with Proviron as soon as I take it, though some times I get a return from anxiety. This has happened once before, kinda a worry-state. This could be from free testosterone going up, or something else. Not sure.
Current regimen includes about 100mg proviron a day, and arimidex on top to see what happens.
I'm just taking shots in the dark, but I will update.
Thanks guys
 
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So to update, I've taken a break from Thyroid/Cortisol manipulation.
Basically at this point I've tried about everything. I will note that running the T3 made things kinda groggy after a while, and I just could not get the Cortisone to work with me. There was no happy medium found that ilI could attain for any amount of time, this is with playing around with T4 as well.
Cool news is that I do have a higher body temperature after stopping, and seem to sweat in both armpits now (previously only sweated in my left pit.)
Also, just cause I basically have just been fucking around now, I revisited testosterone and proviron and have some stuff to share.
Testosterone works really well for the first couple days, and then I start HEAVY estrogen conversion. I mean like, .75mg Arimidex needed daily to curb it. It's not sustainable. I get emotional, and anxiety. What I have found though, is that 50mg of Proviron sublingually returns my libido! Previously I was only taking it orally.
So for now, just gonna fuck around with that. I can feel an immeasurable calm go through me with Proviron as soon as I take it, though some times I get a return from anxiety. This has happened once before, kinda a worry-state. This could be from free testosterone going up, or something else. Not sure.
Current regimen includes about 100mg proviron a day, and arimidex on top to see what happens.
I'm just taking shots in the dark, but I will update.
Thanks guys
Did you already try arimidex before?
Do you know arimidex is a very strong medication and can kill your estro so hard?
I did use that for 3 days and took me 10 months to recover from very low estrogens...
I would not use that shit again
 

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Did you already try arimidex before?
Do you know arimidex is a very strong medication and can kill your estro so hard?
I did use that for 3 days and took me 10 months to recover from very low estrogens...
I would not use that shit again
I'm the opposite, i aromatize a lot. I can't take enough of it.
 
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@wuf arimidex is strong for sure! i felt that shit immediately. i only used it for 3 days (3 times) myself. (1mg a day 2 times a week) it took me almost a week to recover from that shit. i did have a sweet snapback though. i have low-ish estrogen too. yours must be even lower i guess. 10 months to recover for you though, damn bro. im glad you recovered from it at least.

@Trump_1776 how much mg of testosterone a week were you taking? i hear low dose is better like no more than 100-120 mg a week. thats what im gonna go with. everyone is different though.
 

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@wuf arimidex is strong for sure! i felt that shit immediately. i only used it for 3 days (3 times) myself. (1mg a day 2 times a week) it took me almost a week to recover from that shit. i did have a sweet snapback though. i have low-ish estrogen too. yours must be even lower i guess. 10 months to recover for you though, damn bro. im glad you recovered from it at least.

@Trump_1776 how much mg of testosterone a week were you taking? i hear low dose is better like no more than 100-120 mg a week. thats what im gonna go with. everyone is different though.
I'm currently testing things out. I tend to be partial to 1-3 mg sublingually (in alcohol) in the morning/evening, but that can bring problems with fertility I would imagine. So, some times I just take longjack (tongkat ali) which I respond very well to, and def. See and increase in test. The odd thing is that I feel overall better with real test as opposed to the lonjack.

@wuf its weird man. Arimidex does fuck all for me, but an over the counter anti-e by SNS absolutely CRUSHES my estrogen at even a low dose.

Moral to the story is I'm experimenting and have yet to come up with a solid protocol, but at this point Idgaf because I'm done wasting my life worrying about this shit.
 

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I'm currently testing things out. I tend to be partial to 1-3 mg sublingually (in alcohol) in the morning/evening, but that can bring problems with fertility I would imagine. So, some times I just take longjack (tongkat ali) which I respond very well to, and def. See and increase in test. The odd thing is that I feel overall better with real test as opposed to the lonjack.

@wuf its weird man. Arimidex does fuck all for me, but an over the counter anti-e by SNS absolutely CRUSHES my estrogen at even a low dose.

Moral to the story is I'm experimenting and have yet to come up with a solid protocol, but at this point Idgaf because I'm done wasting my life worrying about this shit.
Do you know if there is a connection with your T while on TRT converting to estrogen making you actually feel worse Ed symptoms wise ?

Do you know if there is a connection with lowering your Estrogen with armidex while on TRT making you feel better ED symptoms wise ?

Where I’m going with this is blood estrogen levels going up or down on paper may not be what you want to go by ...

There is plenty of evidence that suggests in PFS guys we just need a different T/estrogen ratio than most to feel normal.

Despite what the armidex is doing on paper how is it effecting the most significant symptoms ? If the answer is it’s making them worse I would not take armidex or any over the counter AI on or off TRT.

I also unless natural means does not get your T to normal levels would not take TRT. The Tongkat is raising your natural T levels so it is real T. You are feeling better initially on higher doses of TRT simply because it’ raising your T levels higher and faster than herb cycling. But than the T stops working for a reason that we don’t completely understand which most likely has nothing to do with estrogen. Just my thoughts not trying to sound like I know more than anyone else here because I don’t . It’s just my opinion don’t take T or any AI’s. Either one of these things has not once cured a “real” PFS case. Instead both of these things only makes a “real” PFS case worse. When I say “real” PFS case I’m not taking about someone who took Fin or Saw P noticed things were not right and than raised their T through TRT or through herb cycling and got better in a few months . That is not real PFS. That’s my T crashed from fin or Saw P so I increased it and my symptoms went away . I’m just looking out that’s all . Play with DHT and thyroid and get off TRT and armidex

Putting this another way:

If raising my T to let’s say 500 ng/dl via CD’s protocol does not cure me why would raising my T to let’s say 800 ng/dl cure me ? It would not because if the reasonable level of 500 ng/dl for a guy in their mid thirties does not cure me than it’s clearly not T. So why would the above average 800 ng/dl T level while on TRT for a guy in their mid thirties cure me . It wouldn’t. If you don’t get cured from mid range T that the majority of population of similar ages people have and are healthy with why would more T work ? Obviously if I did not have PFS going from 500-800 would make me feel better... but I do have PFS so it won’t. All it’s Doing is nothing for PFS, giving you primary and secondary hypogonadism , making you dependent on TRT and costing you money. It’s also creating the need on paper for armidex which killed one PFS guy, made me a lot worse and has made other PFS guys worse.
 
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