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What I neee to know is should I fast or take Celexa for immediate help of severe depression/ anxiety/despair.
Im in a dengerous state. Feel suicidal, etc.
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Ive had depression. But recent trauma brought on despair. I cant funtion or cope.
I need help for the first time in my life.
I cant even feed myself. I cant sleep, nothing.
Im desperate for help. Will fasting help? I have no appetite at all.
 

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Try: Eat some red meat. Add in molybdenum and add more fat to your diet to slow down oxidation rate. But only if IT is copper elimination (insomnia, etc)

I have no exp w/ fasting

Dont kill yourself. IT is the copper probably causing this extreme reaction
 

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I'd Fast Bro. I think you may be skinny this and that, but keep in mind I'm usually 175 to 185. I still fast. I was 169 earlier and fasted and was just more ripped to the bone. It's not harder (actually it's easier but for less time... as I can't go super long) than early on. As in more experience makes it easier. 169 I could still fast if digestion was terrible, or if I was suicidal. It isn't any harder than 200lb, I've lifted 700x since my first fast for PFS (but I lifted like everyday since mid teens, or other exercise, usually and other exercise).

Anyways, I'd fast as long as possible if at all an option. I was recommended 20 pills a day TEI, maybe more now, but whatever it is, unless it's stupidly bad for me, I can ride it out. IF I did not fast, who knows 40 50 pills a day? all wrong? wrong hair tests 10x, I don't know. I'd fast. My mental symptoms were horrific. Fasting helped. Don't give up.

maybe it's a chelation reaction, maybe it's like the extreme agitation sometimes suicidal passing thought that randro gave me initially and or herbs, but they were fleeting. I hit the weights everyday to reduce rage and or depression among other things. related to pfs and otherwise. i too had a lot of trauma pre pfs during it and after. last year and less this year, some this year too actually, but i deal with it better far better mostly. some i still deal with pretty badly but not by substance abuse nor severe depression. you get better at handling things when you see all the things you've handled with exp, time.

*** Helen and RWAC and Goose, etc, people that followed TEI know more specifically what's happening to you in current state, as I did a lot of other things pre TEI and while I'll continue, most my symptoms were gone (nearly all) well before TEI***. at least for pfs. asthma and other nonsense took some doing too.

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Re: meds. lamictal or mirtazepene (this may restore neurosteroids and force sleep. helped pfsers, outside of 2017 research i never looked into this drug).
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ALSO: Probably it's unlike prozac etc, but most SSRI's take weeks to act. Lamotrigine, Lithium may take a day or 3 days maybe a week, maybe first dose. I feel them immediately. I haven't taken lithium in like over a year nor lamictal/lamotrigine in 2.7 years or whatever rite before fin, but it worked better than every single antidepressant or any psyche drug ever for me in terms of mood control, people say they're so normal on it, nothing phases them, but it doesn't change who they are, it has like 8.1/10 for ratings on drug sites and reviews, that's like 1000x better than every single bipolar drug. Shame that I can't take it / that I care about hair, because I guarantee you, my life would practically be on easy mode on it. That and dexedrine. still difficult but perfect adhd. perfect bpii control cured pfs more ripped than ever?? and goals getting stricken off my list, that'd be easy. but it is what it is...

Again I have reservations about Lamotrigine: Like Stephens Johnson's Syndrome, and hair loss, potential memory loss. But I responded to it well.
maybe if you need something, ask your psychiatrist about that.

On the other hand it stopped working due to liver inhibition of the enzymes needed to utilize it, which is a studied affect of finasteride (UGTA14).
I'm sure it would work for me now... BUT*** that was a big reason I took Fin, otherwise I'd have pretty damn good hair till 40 45... on nothing... But ya, probably some time id drink and or do drugs and other things that rapidly accelerate hair loss.

(adderall made me lose like 100x as m hair as super hi doses randro and 4andro. tking a whole bottle i wouldnt lose that much hair. lamotrigine was like 200x randro/4andro shed. but then agn there's less hair).
 
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Ive had depression. But recent trauma brought on despair. I cant funtion or cope.
I need help for the first time in my life.
I cant even feed myself. I cant sleep, nothing.
Im desperate for help. Will fasting help? I have no appetite at all.
I wonder if there is a pathogen behind your issues. Knowing mono was start of your issues makes me wonder this along with the extent of your symptoms.

You could be dealing with something like Lyme. That’s what your symptoms seem like.
 

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Ive had depression. But recent trauma brought on despair. I cant funtion or cope.
I need help for the first time in my life.
I cant even feed myself. I cant sleep, nothing.
Im desperate for help. Will fasting help? I have no appetite at all.
I wonder if there is a pathogen behind your issues. Knowing mono was start of your issues makes me wonder this along with the extent of your symptoms.

You could be dealing with something like Lyme. That’s what your symptoms seem like.
 

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I think fasting could help. i have a mood disorder (probably). Anyways, fasting a couple days fixes sleep and mood is pretty good then. Though higher quantities and outdated in my case, your supps match mine and Walker's (a while ago at least) TEI supplements. Then again, so do a lot of people's.
I've been there bro, sorry you're going thru this right now. <3.
 
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hey hopefully you're ok @Raincoast. maybe check out that new thread, where fasting and butyrates are mentioned. idk if it applies to you.

Re: @sanka. 5d isn't enough. I'd do that only if I gained 20lb and wanted to lose it to stay super lean. I can barely do 3-7 now, without needing to eat 5000 cals or so eventually, bc I get hungry, did NOT get that hungry initially. Well maybe with juice feasting i got hungrier, but 30lb weight up i ate less than i do now half the time at leat. i eat erratically (but that's more for other reasons). i felt like 1% after 18days plus of a tiny bit of juice last last year. and maybe like 15-20% at day 20 of water fasting. maybe like 40-50% 2mo after refeeding. then yeah all the other stuff i did, but there were some heavy hitting things. no gut protocol no supps can gain 2-4lb in a couple d and lose 6-10lb in a couple d if fasting. i lost 20.8lb after water fasting the first time, and that still had 10+ more lb of fat than i have now. hence, toxicity was SUPER high before that. hence, terrible digestion all of 2017 nearly. as in no washroom all year nearly. and def messed up after juice, etc, etc. can't rem it all.

15% easily on water fast. easily 40% better 1 mo 2mo later. easily 50% all sx gone 2.5mo later. for sure 70 percent all pfs symptoms gone in a few mo after starting true water fast.

at the same time, tho im skinny now. I had muscle pre fin and rite now . If i had to fast 30-40d and do it all over agn, or even 50 days, whether 220lb or 200lb or 160lb I would, even if I could only fast half of that. to stay 7-10 perc bodyfat i could juice or breuss fast, but pretty sure bone broth, water, etc are better for me. even veg broth. that does not seem to be true of everyone.

--also @Raincoast. i hate most meds. ssri's/snri's = useless or worse for me. as in they're always useless to everyone with bipolar or trigger mania and are rx'd due to misdiagnosis.
--that is not most people tho.
--but clearly it's better than despair for short term use. not sure if super effective. however, perhaps your specialist knows best. otherwise lithium orotate, carbonate, lamictal, or mirtazepine (liked by some post fin users and some other docs like it for some things).
--for a short time. may be worth it. this is from yrs of research and mood disorder stuff that i had to learn about. mirtaz is from some guys here and solvepfs but actually was recommended to me, but mostly by someone who isn't too bright ( a family doc).
--i may consider it trash, as per it not making any sense to someone who lost 100 percent of fat and replaced it with lean body mass, but some PFSers liked it a lot.
-helped restore their neurosteroids. i did that or most of that in other ways, but maybe it'd saved time who knows. peace out.
 
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yes exactly. i posted but deleted bc didn't want to talk to people due to annoyance.
around 50 symptoms, say 15-20 were mental. fasting got rid of most of those. all eventually... but maybe more like 16/20. some took months but they were really personality/ other stuff i have that are personal, and not really "one symptom" at all. this stuff is hard to quantify.

anyways.

no one on this thread actually. raincoast et al are good guys.
 

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once again. i think for many, lithium can pull ppl out of severe depression. low dose or medium. im saying instead of deathly depressed near 12 mo, it would have helped me, but some bad advice etc online and lots of conflicting advice (do you treat pfs is it real... treat bipolar... who knows, that was a long time ago), anyways that would have probably helped me a ton. spoke to a friend/ former p.doc, he's practiced 40 yrs +. anyways, we talked a lot about a lot of stuff, including lithium.

also interestingly enough he got a patient to look into finasteride, and that patient got off of it only a few weeks into it, because of all the stuff i've told him.
nice. from conversations with lots of docs (almost never about PFS, but if they were friends, then yeah it came up, otherwise i didn't talk to anyone most of a year, esp docs, but now i see old frds etc agn), anyways... it seems: Lithium, Mirtaz, and I'd add Lamictal could all make sense, for suicidal crash phase. for ev1? no, and i couldn't know.
--important edit-- for ppl that crashed like me, Lamictal won't work, bc of UGTA14. Old thread, I mentioned many times. Also on a thread with GHOST (smart kid), and also on various threads on solvepfs (but don't go there). Restore most processes, then it will work but like me you probably won't want to risk that drug.

this is just from research, remembering all kinds of convos on solve pfs, remembering my state 2017 esp the severe later half of it, and 2018 beginning, where i didn't need anything. i didn't take anything and prolly should have. anyways. 2019 definitely didn't need anything for pfs depression.

BUT lets say that crash of mine lasted 2 or 5 yrs instead of one, well... I'd definitely need something, and the longer you wait, the worse it can get.

anyone who thinks lithium's all trash, without ever taking it, and also: if you're totally crazy or depressed, try taking 10mg, do that for 3 days, see if you feel better.
I'm tlking about ppl in despair states. or possibly super manic states.

what i did instead was a crazy choice. ride it out. either water fast. or lith a few weeks then water fast = crash 2 weeks or 3mo instead of 12. at least for ppl like me. or ppl even only 30% like me. which would actually be a LOT of people.

I have serious fucking doubts that CHOLINE, THEANINE, GABA, ANXIETY DRUGS, RANDOM ANTIDPRESSANTS (THOSE WOULDN'T WORK NOW EITHER FOR ME), OR FUCKING SARDINES WOULD WORK IN THAT STATE. I HAVE SERIOUS DOUBTS MMJ WORKS LONGER THAN AN HOUR OR IS GOOD FOR ANYONE WITH ADHD/BP, LET ALONE 6MO OR 1 YEAR DEPRESSION (OR MANIA, OR DELUSION).

BUT*** LITHIUM WORKED BACK THEN. WHEN PRESCRIBED BIPOLAR MEDICATION WASN'T WORKING. WHEN asthma etc was gone, lithium 5mg or 20mg worked back then. THAT's way way way quicker than juice feasting, or random supps, or drugs, OR PCT HERBS, OR RANDRO, OR ANYTHING.

If you're mentally 40-70% fine enuff to live, then you'll be 80% there, and 80% physical and 100 and 100, sooner than later. the less time desperately depressed, wanting to for sure no longer exist, the more time you spend trying to be who you were and are destined to be, the more time, you spend happy, and as yourself. You become you again, and you become better. Ideally far better.

Put it this way:
I take nothing for PFS, no one anywhere outside of a forum can tell I've ever been that sick. OR if i take everything too (outside of duta, that may kill me who knows. daro, all that stuff too).
I take a tiny bit of DEX (1/4 my rx), no one can tell I have ADHD (except other very verbose, fast, ADHDers). Take a tiny bit of Lith, even less can tell about BPII.
---AND it took MOnths or a year for ADHD and BP to come back, AND LITH worked back then when destroyed, so why wouldn't it work for many others?

FURTHERMORE:
--after some persuasive argumentation on my side, CATHERINE was fine with some lithium (orotate, not carbonate (tho realistically no real difference except dose)).
--and Lith is literally an element, and tho medically it's a few hundred years old perhaps in some ways, rx'd maybe 100, in water thousands.
--It is likely billions of years old. Possibly one of the first elements synthesized in the Big Bang. @RebelWithACause

--I'm going to change some details incase this doc stumbles upon this website. BUT his daughter has PTSD, he hates psyche, most meds, and all kinds of other similarities with me. He literally sent his daughter to the same differential diagnosis place he sent me to, to see the same doc. BUT she got someone else, and they both dislike that doc, so do I. ANYWAYS, he's 1/ 100 p.docs, as in I trust 1/100 max. He's a great guy. Helped me w/ 2 degrees. Anyways. GL all.

EDIT: maybe LITH wasn't in the big bang, I always felt that was a BS claim, but maybe just Li-6 isn't. Not sure, been yrs since I did chemistry:
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Big Bang ruled out as origin of lithium-6. Collisions between hydrogen and helium nuclei deep under a mountain in Italy have confirmed a mystery of cosmic proportions: why the amount of lithium-6 observed in today's universe is so different from the amount that theory predicts was produced shortly after the Big Bang.Sep 2, 2014

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--will discuss this with some other docs. in my fam. i.e. my bro, 2 cousins, one of their gf's. some others. possibly an uncle. that's like 5 rite there. add idiots i know in toronto 20, add ppl in calgary. 25 docs rite there. if i liked more that would be 200-300. so if they agree with me.... that's quite a lot.
 
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Again in summary: I think LITHIUM, max dose pediatric i.e. 150mg, would have rendered my Post Effexor Depression (9-18mo, a lot of that time severe) and Post Finasteride Syndrome Depression (and brainfog and no ADHD and no BP, and like 30 mental symptoms lets say) [15months], I think it would have rendered both of those 50-80% less long in length and like 20-100x less severe. Hence saving 3-4 yrs of my 20's. But you live and learn. I got a lot in that time, but I had to play catch up a lot, and it was a bitch.
---NOTE: 150mg carbonate is far less orotate. orotate may be more chemically bioavailable and may pass blood brain barrier better (that may be bs, but you can order it and not elevate blood lith levels as much, and can forgo the stigma of a lithium prescription and some craziness on your medical history. so that's nice too).
--take enuff and you will elevate blood lith levels tho and hurt kidneys and thyroid. TAKE a tiny bit, it WILL show up on your HTMA. I saw it.

ALSO: would have helped the issues leading to use of both those drugs. Effexor, panic attacks -- one tiny aspect of bpii/adhd (plus misdx). and finasteride, treat bpii and have good hair, you won't give a fuck at all about worse hair cuz of a medication.

That's how good lithium can be. If that's bad advice, well it's a lot better than most of what I've read online.

FURTHERMORE:
--When I wrote @aztec that I'm 80% better or more, maybe 90% last May to June (IDK 15-22mo ago), He said to me: "You'll balance life on all levels. You'll fix pfs and BP/ADHD"
--I thought yeah ok, just something I agree to, to make ppl feel good, and also, bc I kind of wanted to believe in it, but that latter aspect is quite a long lasting element in my life.
--But to my surprise, lately I've felt yeah that's possible. And I'm doing it.


--Also, @Niles was fine with Lith Orotate. And he's likely the most stable person here emotionally. Male at least. One of them at least. I'm slightly jealous.

--AND for people saying my issues are different, well guess what Bipolar 1 you have swings from minus 2 to plus 20/10 mood. BPII you have decades of minus 5 to 4/10 mood. Meaning depressed 10-20 years. SO yeah they're different and in many ways were worse. AND hence, if it actually literally worked like it should despite:
-digestion, gut bacteria, eyes, brain, fitness, lean body mass, and 40-50 symptoms of PFS. THEN, why wouldn't it work for most. If you have 99,000 symptoms myb not.
--but stil, i think it's worth considering and far better advice than what I got.

--ALSO you're in an extremely dicey situation trying to treat ADHD + BIPOLAR. Bc most meds will make you retarded, worsen ADHD, and worsen mania, usually all. OR make you depressed as fuck, gain 100lb, lose all your hair. So PFS could have been 40 sx plus 100 more (I'm not joking). That's why it's so hard to treat the ADHD/BP. Add that and PFS, I was totally devestated. Hence, IF I literally found something safe for me, and most didn't get the side effects I got, and most didn't go manic one year on SSRI's, didn't lose entire parts of their persona for a year or more, then, I think this can help others. Ergo, I wrote about it.

1000s of reviews exist online for lith orotate for bipolar, to bp no meds helping / near fatal experiences with rx meds, to post ssri, to anxiety, to schitzophrenia (a bit, that's also dicey and hard to treat), to all kinds of depressions from post birth depression, to PTSD, to tons of things.

I actually thought I'd hate lithium, but unless I'm mistaken, I kind of love it. Not on it today, but that's bc I also love being thin. Tmro, I'll take some. Or after waking up.

Peace out.
 
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