Something really bad happened! Need help... Anyone, please! I'm on my last rope.

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the body wants homeostasis to heal. When it’s at its purest form. Nutritionally sufficient and nothing pulling it up or down... the body heals itself. Why put something synthetic to it inside it. It has potent effects that make body stray from homeostasis

Coffee pulls body hard in some way or other that strays from homeostasis. It disconnects brain and gut by doing so. It may be fine when fully healthy but esspecially during early recovery I’d stay away from.
I drank a lot of coffee for years because it strongly improved my cognitive symptoms for an hour or so. It would also help to increase my mood. However, it would also always increase anxiety and too much would cause gut discomfort. But I doubt I would have been able to graduate without caffiene.

Since Androhard I am much less able to tolerate coffee. It improves my mood and energy for a bit, but an hour later I feel very disoriented, and I already feel so uncomfortable and numb that I struggle greatly to accomplish small tasks.
 

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As for an update, the weekend before last I ate some raw Oxtail and had terrible, painful diarrhea for 3 days. I couldn't eat anything except for some bone broth and a bit of eggs or it would exacerbate the issue. It finally stopped when I took some immodium, and I became badly constipated for a few days. The entire time I was not only experiencing stomach cramps, but intense neck/shoulder pains, which I found strange. and would keep me from sleeping. Normally I dont have much difficulty sleeping, as it is the only thing I have to look forward to each day.

But with all of the hell I drag myself through each day, nothing is worse than the neurological stuff. I feel constantly disorientated and unable to focus or feel my body. The left side of my body and head are numb and slow. I get constant headaches squeezing the center of my eyes and nose. It makes everything ridiculously hard, even trying to relax and watch a television show is shit when you can't feel or think straight and your brain feels like complete crap.

Over the holiday I was seeking relief, so I tried taking some thyroid and progesterone and 5-dhp. It seemed to help but just a bit. When I took this stuff a couple years ago it would essentially cure me for a few hours. Now it seems only to help marginally, but I'm still so damn uncomfortable I would rather be dead.

Consistently each day Ive been taking vit d 3000iu ,
vit b3 100mg x2,
healthy trinity probiotics x2 ,
lyposomal vit C 500mg
magnesium carbonate or glycinate 400mg daily
calcium carbonate 200-400mg daily
l-theanine 100-250mg
digestive enzymes with meals
weening off coffee slowly


The last month Ive been experimenting with taking b-vitamins (b1.b2,b12) , capryllic acid, monolaurin, potassium, aspirin. Staying away from hormones unless desperate.

Molybdenum, lugol's iodine, selenium arrived last week and I am going to try them soon. I am waiting for TEI supplements to arrive in mail. I have 7 herbs from CDnut's protocol.

My plan moving foward: Adopt carnivore diet, drop all dairy/grains/coffee for a month. I will reduce carbs significantly but still drink juices like celery/orange for energy. Without any carbs I feel even more weak and dead (but maybe I need to try going longer without them). I want to try mineral balancing with the TEI supps and incorporate CDnut's herbs to help boost testosterone.

My testosterone/DHT still low on bloodwork. My cortisol is a tad high. Hairtest is 4 lows.

I also have etifoxine and GHB coming soon. I know they are strong, risky measures but I am just desperate at this point guys.
I don't want to dramatize but really I can't live with this neurological BS much longer, it's just total agony. I need something to help pull me out.
 

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Be careful with the Monolaurin. I can't say definitively that the monolaurin caused it, but I'm pretty sure it has inhibitory properties on 5 ar because of it's relation to lauric acid. I was taking it for a few days at 600-900mg (if I'm remembering correctly) for lyme/EBV because of its antiviral properties. within 2-3 days I started developing strong symptoms (extreme anxiety, sense of dread/doom, couldn't think clearly, couldn't turn my mind off to sleep, etc.) that resembled my early days of PFS. About a week after stopping it went away. It's probably not like this for all people, but I seem to be extremely sensitive to the mental side effects.
 

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Be careful with the Monolaurin. I can't say definitively that the monolaurin caused it, but I'm pretty sure it has inhibitory properties on 5 ar because of it's relation to lauric acid. I was taking it for a few days at 600-900mg (if I'm remembering correctly) for lyme/EBV because of its antiviral properties. within 2-3 days I started developing strong symptoms (extreme anxiety, sense of dread/doom, couldn't think clearly, couldn't turn my mind off to sleep, etc.) that resembled my early days of PFS. About a week after stopping it went away. It's probably not like this for all people, but I seem to be extremely sensitive to the mental side effects.
I have been worried about that, I stay away from coconut oil for that reason. Maybe I will stop taking it just in case. I need to do something for my poor digestion which has only gotten worse since androsterone.

So you think you developed lyme from pfs?
 
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I have been worried about that, I stay away from coconut oil for that reason. Maybe I will stop taking it just in case. I need to do something for my poor digestion which has only gotten worse since androsterone.

So you think you developed lyme from pfs?
I'm such a mess who knows, lol. I may have had Lyme since I was in grade or high school, but didn't have severe symptoms until my PFS, so I think it was the Lyme throwing my body off balance that made me more susceptible to PFS. I'm sure they are both enabling each other
 

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I'm such a mess who knows, lol. I may have had Lyme since I was in grade or high school, but didn't have severe symptoms until my PFS, so I think it was the Lyme throwing my body off balance that made me more susceptible to PFS. I'm sure they are both enabling each other
What have you done to test for it?

How is your brain fog? Mine is so debilitating I am wondering if I dont have meningitis or lyme disease eating away at my brain/CNS.
 
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What have you done to test for it?

How is your brain fog? Mine is so debilitating I am wondering if I dont have meningitis or lyme disease eating away at my brain/CNS.
I've had the the Elisa and Western blot test for it, plus some additional tests from a Lyme specialist which also showed I had a Bartonella infection as well which is common with Lyme.

My brain fog is horrendous at times. Often it's worst within 20-60 minutes after eating. Between the brain fog and anxiety it can be hard to function.
 

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I've had the the Elisa and Western blot test for it, plus some additional tests from a Lyme specialist which also showed I had a Bartonella infection as well which is common with Lyme.

My brain fog is horrendous at times. Often it's worst within 20-60 minutes after eating. Between the brain fog and anxiety it can be hard to function.
I used to have constant bad anxiety up until I took Androhard. After a month I came off and realized my anxiety was gone, but so were all my emotions and my ability to concentrate.

What do you reccomend for testing for lyme or other nervous system infections?
 
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I used to have constant bad anxiety up until I took Androhard. After a month I came off and realized my anxiety was gone, but so were all my emotions and my ability to concentrate.

What do you reccomend for testing for lyme or other nervous system infections?
I went to see a Neurologist at Rush Hospital in Chicago and based on my symptoms of brain fog, concentration issues, memory issues, etc. she ran a whole gamut of tests which included an whole head MRI (based on me describing concerns of my symptoms being similar to a coworker of mine who was diagnosed with MS) and a bunch of blood tests for such as Lyme, ESR, CRP, thyroid, Auto-immune markers, EBV, Herpes, and a bunch of others. I didn't even ask for the lyme test originally. My first western blot (a month prior to this) came back negative (you need to have 5 of the 10 antigen bands they test for, but i had 4 bands and a few of the bands on the antibody test tend to be specific indicators of lyme when you talk to a lyme specialists). Then Rush ran the test again since I didn't mention I had had the test done a month prior and they ran both the ELISA and Western blot. If you've got insurance or a way to get it a reasonable price tell them about your neurological issues and throw in you have had issues with your balance at times and they'll do the MRI plus all the other tests. Justifying the MRI they need to hear symptoms of MS or something like it. I really did have some balance issues, but they are minor and I've never "fallen".
 

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you have high calcium in blood since you are in acidosis. and that calcium is coming from your bone)) and cell

this is why in fast thyroid people and faster metabolism, calcium is high in blood. and low on hairtest.

hairtest does not show levels of your minerals.
If a hairtest doesn't show mineral levels then what does it actually show?
 

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I went to see a Neurologist at Rush Hospital in Chicago and based on my symptoms of brain fog, concentration issues, memory issues, etc. she ran a whole gamut of tests which included an whole head MRI (based on me describing concerns of my symptoms being similar to a coworker of mine who was diagnosed with MS) and a bunch of blood tests for such as Lyme, ESR, CRP, thyroid, Auto-immune markers, EBV, Herpes, and a bunch of others. I didn't even ask for the lyme test originally. My first western blot (a month prior to this) came back negative (you need to have 5 of the 10 antigen bands they test for, but i had 4 bands and a few of the bands on the antibody test tend to be specific indicators of lyme when you talk to a lyme specialists). Then Rush ran the test again since I didn't mention I had had the test done a month prior and they ran both the ELISA and Western blot. If you've got insurance or a way to get it a reasonable price tell them about your neurological issues and throw in you have had issues with your balance at times and they'll do the MRI plus all the other tests. Justifying the MRI they need to hear symptoms of MS or something like it. I really did have some balance issues, but they are minor and I've never "fallen".
Thanks for the detailed advice man.

So has anything useful come out of the MRI? I had one a year ago and the results were normal. I am worried I have infections like Luke and may need to take measures such as antibiotics and rifing.
 
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Thanks for the detailed advice man.

So has anything useful come out of the MRI? I had one a year ago and the results were normal. I am worried I have infections like Luke and may need to take measures such as antibiotics and rifing.
My MRI results were normal. Disappointing that it wasn't able to point to anything specifically to target therapy, but good in the fact that I don't have MS or something more serious. The Dr did make a comment that there was some slight shrinkage of my brain, saying it's not too significant except that he usually wouldnt see that in people until they got a little older than me or people with hard drug use (which was me for a few years several years ago).

I suggest you get tested and find out. This is the exact test I got, it's both ELISA and Western Blot if necessary. Quest Diagnostics: Test Directory

I would find a way to get both ELISA/Lyme AB Test AND the western blot at the same time. Some will only let you get a western blot if you test positive or equivocal on the ELISA. Or if they just give you the ELISA you can buy the western blot yourself for about a 100 bucks online.
 
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As for an update, the weekend before last I ate some raw Oxtail and had terrible, painful diarrhea for 3 days. I couldn't eat anything except for some bone broth and a bit of eggs or it would exacerbate the issue. It finally stopped when I took some immodium, and I became badly constipated for a few days. The entire time I was not only experiencing stomach cramps, but intense neck/shoulder pains, which I found strange. and would keep me from sleeping. Normally I dont have much difficulty sleeping, as it is the only thing I have to look forward to each day.

But with all of the hell I drag myself through each day, nothing is worse than the neurological stuff. I feel constantly disorientated and unable to focus or feel my body. The left side of my body and head are numb and slow. I get constant headaches squeezing the center of my eyes and nose. It makes everything ridiculously hard, even trying to relax and watch a television show is shit when you can't feel or think straight and your brain feels like complete crap.

Over the holiday I was seeking relief, so I tried taking some thyroid and progesterone and 5-dhp. It seemed to help but just a bit. When I took this stuff a couple years ago it would essentially cure me for a few hours. Now it seems only to help marginally, but I'm still so damn uncomfortable I would rather be dead.

Consistently each day Ive been taking vit d 3000iu ,
vit b3 100mg x2,
healthy trinity probiotics x2 ,
lyposomal vit C 500mg
magnesium carbonate or glycinate 400mg daily
calcium carbonate 200-400mg daily
l-theanine 100-250mg
digestive enzymes with meals
weening off coffee slowly


The last month Ive been experimenting with taking b-vitamins (b1.b2,b12) , capryllic acid, monolaurin, potassium, aspirin. Staying away from hormones unless desperate.

Molybdenum, lugol's iodine, selenium arrived last week and I am going to try them soon. I am waiting for TEI supplements to arrive in mail. I have 7 herbs from CDnut's protocol.

My plan moving foward: Adopt carnivore diet, drop all dairy/grains/coffee for a month. I will reduce carbs significantly but still drink juices like celery/orange for energy. Without any carbs I feel even more weak and dead (but maybe I need to try going longer without them). I want to try mineral balancing with the TEI supps and incorporate CDnut's herbs to help boost testosterone.

My testosterone/DHT still low on bloodwork. My cortisol is a tad high. Hairtest is 4 lows.

I also have etifoxine and GHB coming soon. I know they are strong, risky measures but I am just desperate at this point guys.
I don't want to dramatize but really I can't live with this neurological BS much longer, it's just total agony. I need something to help pull me out.
@slader1 I'm still figuring stuff out for myself, so don't take this as gospel, but I've made tremendous strides in the past week by doing a 36 hour fast and then coming back to eating very clean based on the individual recommendations from TEI and overall Fast Oxidizer Diet plans based on Dr Wilson's work. This includes cutting out almost all sugar/fruit. I have a mandarin or 1 kiwi (5-10 grams of sugar) with 2 or 3 of my meals and some sugar from 8 oz of milk 2 or 3 times a day. The rest of my carbs come from Jackson's Honest Blue Corn Chips, low fat hummus (Oasis brand is the only reliable brand I can find), Adzuki Beans from Edens Organic (they are pressure cooked so reduced lectins), and winter squashes, and whatever I'm getting from lots of steamed vegetables I'm eating throughout the day. I know you (like me) come from the Ray Peat world like many people on here and it's hard to let go of some of those ideals that were ingrained in us. For now I'm throwing everything Ray Peat out the window except avoid PUFA (I've added some MUFA back into my diet as well FYI) as much as possible and I don't believe in low/no carb, and definitely not long term. Carbs are too important for thyroid health.

I really think a lot of what's wrong in my case (which would probably apply to you if you are a fast oxidizer and come from Ray Peat principles) comes from Adrenal Fatigue which is from stimulating supplements, caffeine, sugar, DHEA, etc. and whatever these pharma drugs did to us. At least for me the symptoms of adrenal fatigue describe all my main issues and to couple that going on an adrenal fatigue diet (which is basically TEI) has already put me in a much better spot.

In summary things that I think have helped me in the past week:
-Cutting out all caffeine @bruschi11 - which I didn't want to believe at first but now that i've been off for over a week I'm already feeling normal and not needing it. I see a lot of people here on caffeine and if we are all damaged from these pharma drugs I cant imagine it's helping if the adrenals a playing a role in this.
-Cutting out almost ALL supplements. I take a little vitamin E (2-3 drops of TocoVit), probiotics because I'm on antibiotics for Lyme, and digestive enzymes.
This also includes B-vitamins, i focus on getting foods with high amounts of these naturally. I have a suspicion that B vitamin supplementation has messed with my methylation and adrenal fatigue. It's too much of a guessing came to figure out what you truly need, unless you have a marked deficiency on lab tests so for now I'm avoiding it.
-Eating clean according TEI

Maybe like you, I think I'm an addict with supplements, thinking if I just take this supplement (plus 5 others I've already come up with a reason to take) I'll be able to cure my issues. After 3 years of this (with PFS, and many years before this a weightlifter) and getting nowhere, I'm ripping everything down to the foundation, which means pretty much food only and no caffeine and following the TEI/Oxidation diet plans. For now I'm not taking the TEI supplements until I feel consistently good for a while, even then, I might not take them or just take a lower dosage of them..

Also, i noticed you got the supplements for the b2 protocol but your selenium is really high, you probably shouldn't take that one, or if you do, a smaller dose.

Maybe try a month of TEI diet, no caffeine, and no supplements before you start adding stuff back in? It's been extremely liberating to not be a slave to which supplement do I need to take next, do i need to take it with or without food, and trying to guess when I'm feeling bad which of the 10 supplements I took that day or week are causing it.

Anyways that's my 2 cents. What were you diet recommendations from TEI?
 

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@slader1 I'm still figuring stuff out for myself, so don't take this as gospel, but I've made tremendous strides in the past week by doing a 36 hour fast and then coming back to eating very clean based on the individual recommendations from TEI and overall Fast Oxidizer Diet plans based on Dr Wilson's work. This includes cutting out almost all sugar/fruit. I have a mandarin or 1 kiwi (5-10 grams of sugar) with 2 or 3 of my meals and some sugar from 8 oz of milk 2 or 3 times a day. The rest of my carbs come from Jackson's Honest Blue Corn Chips, low fat hummus (Oasis brand is the only reliable brand I can find), Adzuki Beans from Edens Organic (they are pressure cooked so reduced lectins), and winter squashes, and whatever I'm getting from lots of steamed vegetables I'm eating throughout the day. I know you (like me) come from the Ray Peat world like many people on here and it's hard to let go of some of those ideals that were ingrained in us. For now I'm throwing everything Ray Peat out the window except avoid PUFA (I've added some MUFA back into my diet as well FYI) as much as possible and I don't believe in low/no carb, and definitely not long term. Carbs are too important for thyroid health.

I really think a lot of what's wrong in my case (which would probably apply to you if you are a fast oxidizer and come from Ray Peat principles) comes from Adrenal Fatigue which is from stimulating supplements, caffeine, sugar, DHEA, etc. and whatever these pharma drugs did to us. At least for me the symptoms of adrenal fatigue describe all my main issues and to couple that going on an adrenal fatigue diet (which is basically TEI) has already put me in a much better spot.

In summary things that I think have helped me in the past week:
-Cutting out all caffeine @bruschi11 - which I didn't want to believe at first but now that i've been off for over a week I'm already feeling normal and not needing it. I see a lot of people here on caffeine and if we are all damaged from these pharma drugs I cant imagine it's helping if the adrenals a playing a role in this.
-Cutting out almost ALL supplements. I take a little vitamin E (2-3 drops of TocoVit), probiotics because I'm on antibiotics for Lyme, and digestive enzymes.
This also includes B-vitamins, i focus on getting foods with high amounts of these naturally. I have a suspicion that B vitamin supplementation has messed with my methylation and adrenal fatigue. It's too much of a guessing came to figure out what you truly need, unless you have a marked deficiency on lab tests so for now I'm avoiding it.
-Eating clean according TEI

Maybe like you, I think I'm an addict with supplements, thinking if I just take this supplement (plus 5 others I've already come up with a reason to take) I'll be able to cure my issues. After 3 years of this (with PFS, and many years before this a weightlifter) and getting nowhere, I'm ripping everything down to the foundation, which means pretty much food only and no caffeine and following the TEI/Oxidation diet plans. For now I'm not taking the TEI supplements until I feel consistently good for a while, even then, I might not take them or just take a lower dosage of them..

Also, i noticed you got the supplements for the b2 protocol but your selenium is really high, you probably shouldn't take that one, or if you do, a smaller dose.

Maybe try a month of TEI diet, no caffeine, and no supplements before you start adding stuff back in? It's been extremely liberating to not be a slave to which supplement do I need to take next, do i need to take it with or without food, and trying to guess when I'm feeling bad which of the 10 supplements I took that day or week are causing it.

Anyways that's my 2 cents. What were you diet recommendations from TEI?
My TEI showed 4 lows and recommended to "accentuate" dairy in my diet, to eliminate sugars/refined carbohydrates, to eat "high purine" meats like kidney, heart, liver, sardines, oysters. The recommendation to increase struck me as very odd because I have been guzzling down milk and eating cheese for years. There is no way I am not getting enough calcium, because it is also very high in my blood tests. I think the calcium is not being deposited into the hair tissue, maybe because it is going into the bone where it belongs.

I am suprised you feel better cutting out sugar and going with cooked vegetables. Vegetables tend to make me tired and put me in a worse mood. If I try to go a day without eating carbs or sugar I will become tired and useless until I have some juice or fruit. I am intrigued by the idea of lowerring carbs or keto adapting or fasting so as to "give the liver a break" and allow it to heal and regenerate. I think it is highly likely we are dealing with intenstinal and liver dysfunction as a result of the Vagus nerve being compromised by low levels of 5-ar reduced neurosteroids like allopregnenelone. I think that is why fasting and keto, while not good for the metabolism or thyroid health, often help PFS guys. Maybe giving those systems some time off to rest is the only way to get them back to functionning.

I have been cutting back on coffee big time since september. I used to drink a liter a day or more for years before then. I found it was the only thing that really improved my mental focus, which has been my biggest issue. When I came off coffee completely in November my focus only became worse, so I have gone back to drinking a cup to two each day. Because I no longer drink it with sugar and am going lower carb I feel it increase my cortisol.

The last week I started following the TEI diet advice and taking their list of supplements. The only other thing I take is taurine during the day, and glycine before bed. I can't say I have noticed anything yet, but I definitely felt better last year on thyroid, coffee, milk and sugar. I know this change may take time to materialize, especially if it is true my adrenals are in bad shape. I don't really think the adrenals are an issue for me though, I have always been careful to keep adrenaline at bay as is part of peating. There seems to be this idea that a fast metabolizer is burning too fast because the adrenaline and stress are very high, but I think that is very diffferent from someone whose metabolism is high from thyroid. I never felt burnt out peating, my main problem was the same as a currently have - brain fog/low emotion/low libido. Only now it is worse then ever, so I often think about going back to peating where I could at least function well enough to work and study.

I am going to give these newer strategies more time though, because they have clearly brought other pfs guys success. I still have to try - fasting, liver flushes, TEI, CDnut's herb rotation, raw carnivore. If after a year of this stuff I dont see improvement then I guess Ill go back to peating.
 
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My TEI showed 4 lows and recommended to "accentuate" dairy in my diet, to eliminate sugars/refined carbohydrates, to eat "high purine" meats like kidney, heart, liver, sardines, oysters. The recommendation to increase struck me as very odd because I have been guzzling down milk and eating cheese for years. There is no way I am not getting enough calcium, because it is also very high in my blood tests. I think the calcium is not being deposited into the hair tissue, maybe because it is going into the bone where it belongs.

I am suprised you feel better cutting out sugar and going with cooked vegetables. Vegetables tend to make me tired and put me in a worse mood. If I try to go a day without eating carbs or sugar I will become tired and useless until I have some juice or fruit. I am intrigued by the idea of lowerring carbs or keto adapting or fasting so as to "give the liver a break" and allow it to heal and regenerate. I think it is highly likely we are dealing with intenstinal and liver dysfunction as a result of the Vagus nerve being compromised by low levels of 5-ar reduced neurosteroids like allopregnenelone. I think that is why fasting and keto, while not good for the metabolism or thyroid health, often help PFS guys. Maybe giving those systems some time off to rest is the only way to get them back to functionning.

I have been cutting back on coffee big time since september. I used to drink a liter a day or more for years before then. I found it was the only thing that really improved my mental focus, which has been my biggest issue. When I came off coffee completely in November my focus only became worse, so I have gone back to drinking a cup to two each day. Because I no longer drink it with sugar and am going lower carb I feel it increase my cortisol.

The last week I started following the TEI diet advice and taking their list of supplements. The only other thing I take is taurine during the day, and glycine before bed. I can't say I have noticed anything yet, but I definitely felt better last year on thyroid, coffee, milk and sugar. I know this change may take time to materialize, especially if it is true my adrenals are in bad shape. I don't really think the adrenals are an issue for me though, I have always been careful to keep adrenaline at bay as is part of peating. There seems to be this idea that a fast metabolizer is burning too fast because the adrenaline and stress are very high, but I think that is very diffferent from someone whose metabolism is high from thyroid. I never felt burnt out peating, my main problem was the same as a currently have - brain fog/low emotion/low libido. Only now it is worse then ever, so I often think about going back to peating where I could at least function well enough to work and study.

I am going to give these newer strategies more time though, because they have clearly brought other pfs guys success. I still have to try - fasting, liver flushes, TEI, CDnut's herb rotation, raw carnivore. If after a year of this stuff I dont see improvement then I guess Ill go back to peating.
Similar diet recommendations as me. I introduced dairy back into my diet, but I'm getting some brain fog after I eat so I'm dropping it and a few other things for the time being and using the TEI calcium supp. I'm also coming off mirtazapine which I'm getting some withdrawal symptoms so I need to wait a while before making any more adjustments.

Just to clarify as well, I'm not doing any keto or anything. I'm still getting about 50 grams of carbs per meal (3 meals plus sometimes a snack) just doing it with less fruit and juice than I was before.

As for the calcium being low it might have to do with the fact that your are burning up the Ca and Mg being a fast oxidizer based on what @Helen said. It makes sense theoretically, but I guess we'll see how the future hair tests come out as I'm trying to raise my Calcium too. Also remember it's not as simple as taking a mineral that's low to make it high, it gets affected by the other minerals you are taking in.

Good luck with your journey I'll be along on a similar ride.
 

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Similar diet recommendations as me. I introduced dairy back into my diet, but I'm getting some brain fog after I eat so I'm dropping it and a few other things for the time being and using the TEI calcium supp. I'm also coming off mirtazapine which I'm getting some withdrawal symptoms so I need to wait a while before making any more adjustments.

Just to clarify as well, I'm not doing any keto or anything. I'm still getting about 50 grams of carbs per meal (3 meals plus sometimes a snack) just doing it with less fruit and juice than I was before.

As for the calcium being low it might have to do with the fact that your are burning up the Ca and Mg being a fast oxidizer based on what @Helen said. It makes sense theoretically, but I guess we'll see how the future hair tests come out as I'm trying to raise my Calcium too. Also remember it's not as simple as taking a mineral that's low to make it high, it gets affected by the other minerals you are taking in.

Good luck with your journey I'll be along on a similar ride.
Thank you kindly for the support.

Well 50 grams carbohydrates per meal without much fruit means you must be eating quite a number of tubers and veggies? I am sure this was a dramatic change coming from peating. Did you notice stomach discomfort with that at first? I am wondering if there is a gut adaptation for the increased fiber. Personally I have difficult and unpleasant bowel movements, and maybe more fiber is something that is helpful with the gut, contrary to what they say on raypeatforum.
 
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Thank you kindly for the support.

Well 50 grams carbohydrates per meal without much fruit means you must be eating quite a number of tubers and veggies? I am sure this was a dramatic change coming from peating. Did you notice stomach discomfort with that at first? I am wondering if there is a gut adaptation for the increased fiber. Personally I have difficult and unpleasant bowel movements, and maybe more fiber is something that is helpful with the gut, contrary to what they say on raypeatforum.
My "safe" carb sources right now are blue corn tortilla chips (Jackson's Honest which are fried in coconut oil, there's also a brand from Thrive Market I believe without vegetable oil), butternut squash, cassava chips from Terra, adzuki beans, plus small amounts of berries, kiwis, and oranges.

I actually feel more satisfied eating starch and my stools have normalized after 2 years of being often very loose/diarrhea. I attribute that to Fecal Microbiota Transplant (DIY FMT), eating more butter/ghee and taking Probiotic 3 from AOR for butyrate, and going low FODMAP for a few weeks, then slowly adding FODMAPS back in. The FMT is pretty drastic and I don't think most people could pull it off, both doing it themselves and finding a good donor in this day and age.

I'm not sure what to think on the who Ray Peat view of gut bacteria and eating sugars. Sounds great in theory, but only works if you can strictly eat fruit, fruit juices, etc for carbs. That diet was not filling for me and never would have worked long term. I need to have rice, potatoes, chips, squash, etc. at least twice a day to fill full.
 

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Thank you kindly for the support.

Well 50 grams carbohydrates per meal without much fruit means you must be eating quite a number of tubers and veggies? I am sure this was a dramatic change coming from peating. Did you notice stomach discomfort with that at first? I am wondering if there is a gut adaptation for the increased fiber. Personally I have difficult and unpleasant bowel movements, and maybe more fiber is something that is helpful with the gut, contrary to what they say on raypeatforum.
The more I understand a raypeat diet the more I wonder if it’s designed to create health problems haha j/k
 
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The more I understand a raypeat diet the more I wonder if it’s designed to create health problems haha j/k
The diet that CDsnuts recommends on his websight is very similar to the Ray Peat style of eating. The main differences are that CDsnuts isn't afraid of eating nuts and raw vegetables, and Ray Peat isn't afraid of sugar and drinks milk.
 

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The diet that CDsnuts recommends on his websight is very similar to the Ray Peat style of eating. The main differences are that CDsnuts isn't afraid of eating nuts and raw vegetables, and Ray Peat isn't afraid of sugar and drinks milk.
Sugar and milk two thinks that make me feel horrible since getting PFS. Anything over a small amount of sugar at a time from fruit and lets say Cheerio’s that I eat plain almost instantly within 1-3 hrs makes my digestion worse and all of my other side effects worse. The times that I have went extended periods of time with eating only very minimal amounts of sugar is when I felt the best. In fact the best point I was ever able to get to naturally was when I went several months eating 3 sweet green salad’s per day 7 days per week. So the only sugar I was getting was any sugar in the salad dressing. I was spending like $50 per day on salads but could afford it at the time. I was 190 pounds but felt good in a natural way. I wonder if I kept doing this if I would have recovered.

Even without PFS I just can’t see how sugar can be a good thing for anyone. It makes sense that after seeing how poorly “an unhealthy” system that’s clearly not working the right way reacts to sugar that it can’t be good even for a healthy system
 
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