RWAC's PFS log

RebelWithACause

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I took finasteride for two years. Side effects were not worth it anymore and decided to quit.

Symptoms on finasteride and after:
  • Low penile sensitivity
  • Anxiety, agitation, aggression
  • Low sex drive
  • Brainfog
  • Low energy
  • Constipation
  • Bloated stomach
  • Pelvic floor spasms
Things that did not work:

Testosterone Replacement Therapy

My first approach was TRT (testosterone enanthate 200-250mg) in combination with masteron enanthate or Proviron (25mg-50mg everyday). It relieved me from the brainfog, low energy and anxiety but it did not solve my gut problems, pelvic floor spasms and sex drive. On some days I felt pre-finasteride but I knew that this was not a longterm solution. I decided to quit TRT and go for a natural route to fix the problem at the core.

Zero Carb (meat only) diet: Good energy but low wellbeing. Stomach felt better. Woke up in the middle of the night every night. Cold all the time (low thyroid probably). Not doing this again.

Creatine Monohydrate: did not feel good using it. Not using it.

Zinc : no libido and lowered my wellbeing. Not using it.

Arimistane: similar effect as zinc, not sure what it did. Made me sleep better. Not using it anymore.

Lifestyle throughout recovery:
  • NoFap (no porn, no instagram, no fantasizing)
  • Coldshowers (2 minutes minimum)
  • Sleep early: no blue lights after 7PM
  • Workout 3-4 days a week, heavy lifting or HIIT, depends on how I feel
UPDATES:

07/02: I feel better since adding copper, magnesium, l-cysteine and quitting caffeine. My vision seems clearer and brighter. I also feel emotions again. I did not feel emotions for a long time. This is a good sign I think. I have only been taking this for a few days.

10/02: Effects of protocol above were gone after two wet dreams. Decided to start the electrolyte protocol outlined by gbolduev. I am going to keep taking copper (2mg) and the l-cysteine a long with it in the beginning. Added Betaine HCl and magnesium chloride. Waiting for potassium chloride. Cut out magnesium citrate. Installed Flux on my MacBook to avoid blue light when it gets dark.

25/02: Went back on zinc finger "protocol": copper, magnesium and potassium. Ordered Ella to do a trial.

28/02: Started Ella for 5 day cycle (5mg everyday)

04/03: Finished Ella trial. Good improvements. Especially in mood/anxiety department. See if they stick. I have ordered LDN. When that arrives I will trial that.
 
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RebelWithACause

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Havent read much about PE side effects from protocols here. (Although it is a psss symptom). Low serotonin effect?
I have PFS. Not sure. I had the same feeling when I was taking TRT + 50mg Proviron one day. I think it could be low serotonin. Proviron (DHT) competes with estrogen and lowers serotonin from what I remember. Anyways, will keep you guys updated.

This is what I eat and I feel good except low libido and harder time getting an erection. I can function on a good level with this diet. Right after I quit finasteride I had a hard time functioning. Had bouts of depression and felt weak and like a bitch.

I am 6'6 220lbs and I train 4 days a week.

500g-1kg of red meat
500g-1kg of white rice
Almond milk
Orange Juice
2 to 3 cups of coffee with sugar - if you cannot handle caffeine (anxiety) do not take it

I drink fruit juice with the meat to counter the stress response from the tryptophan. I eat more carbs then protein with every meal. A good amount of rice with every meal.

I take 200-400mg magnesium citrate, 3000IU Vitamin D and occasionally zinc + copper.

This week I added l-cysteine (500mg caps) and l-histidine (250mg). I have a reaction to l-histidine. Not sure if it is good or bad. That is why this week I will take l-cysteine only for a few days and l-histidine only for a few days. I also ordered copper. I feel better the next day after I eat Dark Chocolate. Could be because of the copper content. Or because of the flavonoids. That is why I ordered the copper.

This is not a protocol. This is a diet plan that works for me. I am functional when I eat this diet and take these supplements. I am not 100% healed yet.

I also do:

- No masturbation and no porn
- Cold showers: 1-5 minutes
- No alcohol or drugs
- Sleep at 8-10PM everyday
- Workout 4 days a week, heavy lifts

My current status is:

Anxiety: OK, sometimes higher then I would like it to be.
Depression: none
Sleep: OK, wake up sometimes in the middle of night
Strength in gym: Good, pre-finasteride
Sex drive: Varies, not great
Erection quality: Varies, not great - lower sensitivity.

At the end of every week I will check the forums and log any improvements.
 
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RebelWithACause

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What is your height/weight/bf% and how much do you lift?
I am 6'6, 210lbs, bf 14%. Deadlift 190kg, Bench 105kg, Squat 135kg. I lift at 70-80% of my maxes.

My weekly update:

I have made improvements.

I quit caffeine. My sex drive is better without caffeine.

I noticed the following:

- I did not take supplements on sunday night and I woke up without morning wood.
- I feel better shortly after taking the l-cysteine.

Yesterday night I took this:

- 500mg l-cysteine
- 2mg copper
- 200mg magnesium

Before that I took this every night:

- 500mg l-cysteine
- 200mg magnesium

I woke up in the middle of the night with a rock hard boner. In the morning the same thing happened. My penile sensitivity is low.

I am going to take this for a week and report back.
 

RebelWithACause

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Small update:

I am going to do the following:

Add Betaine HCL with meals, potassium chloride, magnesium chloride, a HQ multivitamin, add whey back in. Pretty much follow the protocol for improved health. I will keep taking the copper. I will also add in juices.

Starting today I will limit sugar. I was drinking orange juice daily. Since cutting out caffeine I do not feel good after drinking orange juice.

I will keep eating red meat but not as much. It gives me good energy and I digest it well. I am eating cooked spinach with every meal. Rice is my main source of carbs and I sometimes eat cooked white potatoes. I used to not be able to handle them. Now I can. It seems like my digestion has improved.
 
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RebelWithACause

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Small update today:

Felt good today. Slept great. I feel my emotions again. Not cry baby. But feeling joy and wanting to socialise. Yesterday I also experienced this. Women looked attractive again instead of feeling nothing. I had random (rock hard) boners today. I had that animal feeling. I have not had that since quitting finasteride. I felt like a robot and disconnected from the world after quitting finasteride - almost psychopathic. Plus anxious from time to time.

No anxiety today what so ever.

My whole body feels warm.

These changes all happened after adding l-cysteine (500 mg), l-histidine (tiny amount), copper (2 mg) and quitting caffeine. I am also drinking a lot of tomato juice. Eating a good amount of spinach, rice, fish and shrimp. Plus the beet juice.

I am not 100% yet. But the state I was in today was very close to pre-finasteride.

I will keep doing this for a week and then report back my findings. See if it improves more and/or stabilises.
 

RebelWithACause

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I got the magnesium chloride but they sent the wrong package for the potassium. They sent me natriumchloride (normal salt) instead of potassium/kaliumchloride. So I am drinking a good amount of tomato juice until I get the potassiumchloride. I also have the Betaine HCl. I am going to buy whey powder tomorrow. Now I eat shrimp, egg whites and a little salmon for protein. Overall I am feeling good. People tell me I look healthy.
 

RebelWithACause

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I got the potassium chloride and will start using it tomorrow instead of tomato juice.

I am stopping the copper and l-cysteine and starting the electrolyte protocol.

I had two wet dreams. One on thursday night and one on sunday night. Felt drained and more anxiety for a few days. Overall my libido has been low after the two wet dreams.

I have been dreaming A LOT. My sleep was OK. I woke up a lot.

I stopped eating red meat for a few days. I ate seafood and egg whites but it does not seem to work as well for me as red meat. Lower energy levels.

So I am back to eating a good amount of red meat. Betaine HCl seems to benefit me. Only been using it correctly for two days and my stomach feels less sensitive and bloated. Still eating a lot of spinach and rice. It is the staple in my meals.

I took too much magnesium chloride with the meals (500mg) and at the second meal it made me brainfoggy and irritated. So I have lowered it to 50mg per meal.
 

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I got the potassium chloride and will start using it tomorrow instead of tomato juice.

I am stopping the copper and l-cysteine and starting the electrolyte protocol.

I had two wet dreams. One on thursday night and one on sunday night. Felt drained and more anxiety for a few days. Overall my libido has been low after the two wet dreams.

I have been dreaming A LOT. My sleep was OK. I woke up a lot.

I stopped eating red meat for a few days. I ate seafood and egg whites but it does not seem to work as well for me as red meat. Lower energy levels.

So I am back to eating a good amount of red meat. Betaine HCl seems to benefit me. Only been using it correctly for two days and my stomach feels less sensitive and bloated. Still eating a lot of spinach and rice. It is the staple in my meals.

I took too much magnesium chloride with the meals (500mg) and at the second meal it made me brainfoggy and irritated. So I have lowered it to 50mg per meal.
Do you feel OK now dropping down to 50mg?
 

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Just hop in here to say that i fucking love Berserk.The only manga i fully read.It went down in quality after golden age and felt forced,but you cant have everything,i guess

Anyway,RWAC,how do you feel this days?Any improvements?
 

RebelWithACause

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I am doing OK. I am following the electrolyte protocol. I am tweaking some things. Reintroduced copper (2mg) and that makes me feel better but it fucks up my sleep.

So I am taking it with my last meal instead of right before bed. I cut out magnesium chloride for the time being. Only using potassium chloride. I might reintroduce magnesium next week. My stomach is better since starting the protocol.

Long story short, I am experimenting with the electrolyte protocol. Upcoming week I will try different things to see what works.
 
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I am doing OK. I am following the electrolyte protocol. I am tweaking some things. Reintroduced copper (2mg) and that makes me feel better but it fucks up my sleep.

So I am taking it with my last meal instead of right before bed. I cut out magnesium chloride for the time being. Only using potassium chloride. I might reintroduce magnesium next week. My stomach is better since starting the protocol.

Long story short, I am experimenting with the electrolyte protocol. Upcoming week I will try different things to see what works.
how was your experience with Histydin / cystien ?
any libido or erection improvements.
 

RebelWithACause

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how was your experience with Histydin / cystien ?
any libido or erection improvements.
Yes I think l-cysteine had a positive effect on my erections. But I cannot tell 100% sure. Mentally I felt better taking l-cysteine and l-histidine. Try it out. I took 500mg l-cysteine and 250mg l-histidine.

I had 1 day where I felt almost pre-finasteride. You can see what I took there.
 

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Yes I think l-cysteine had a positive effect on my erections. But I cannot tell 100% sure. Mentally I felt better taking l-cysteine and l-histidine. Try it out. I took 500mg l-cysteine and 250mg l-histidine.

I had 1 day where I felt almost pre-finasteride. You can see what I took there.
You probably already said it somewhere, but why did you quit that protocol?
 

RebelWithACause

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Interesting to hear, curious to hear how that will go!
I will let you know.

No protocol has put me in a consistent mood and libido. This is also because I am experimenting.
  • Zinc alone makes me feel irritated, anxious, angry and lowers my libido to non-existent
  • Zinc + copper also make me feel irritated, anxious and angry and lowers my libido to non-existent
  • Magnesium chloride makes me feel irritated, anxious but more relaxed and lowers my libido to non-existent
  • Zinc + B6 improved mood and sex drive but no erections
  • Copper makes me feel good if I take it before bed. But it makes me sleep bad. Nightmares and dreams. Wake up a lot. Even with taking electrolytes. Fucked up sleep also means lower libido and worse mood. It's a catch-22.
  • Betaine HCl makes my stomach less bloated and less sensitive. Big improvement. Side effects is tiredness, lower confidence A.K.A. lower dopamine effect, even when I take in electrolytes. Still worth it take it in my opinion. Temporarily.
  • L-cysteine improves my mood, not erections
  • Beet juice is a good addition
  • Penis sensitivity has not improved a lot on both protocols yet. l-histidine makes it better but it is 25% out of 100%.
 
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I am doing better but I'm not there yet. I sleep bad when I take copper before bed. So I am going to take it earlier in the day. At 4-6PM with a meal.

Adding in tomato juice and beet juice.

This protocol + beet juice + tomato juice made me feel normal for two days.

I sent this to Joekool:
I take:

- Pottasium chloride, small amount with every meal 100mg

- Magnesium chloride, only at end of the day. Magnesium does not make me feel good when I take it. I will cut this out for a night and see what happens.

- 1 mg copper in the morning after meal w/ potassium chloride/tomato juice, 2 mg copper w/potassium chloride/tomato juice & magnesium chloride after last meal. I have to tweak this. Copper makes me sleep bad. It gives me a lot of energy and I sleep light after taking it. Last night my sleep was not as good. This affects results in how I feel the next day. The night before that I took it earlier at around 6PM and I slept good and the results were better.

- L-cysteine 500mg before bed

- Today I added in tomato juice again. I am drinking a glass of tomato juice with every meal. This + the combination above + beet juice made me feel pre-fin, mentally (low anxiety, good sex drive, even erections) one week ago for 2 days. Then I had two wet dreams and I stopped the protocol to try the electrolyte protocol.

- Adding in beet juice again today

- Betaine HCl with last meal. I did not use this one week ago. It helps with digesting my last big meal before bed.

- Experimenting with l-histidine

- I eat whey, spinach, beef (not huge amounts), chicken, white rice, white potato
I am trying things out right now. I am not stable yet. Sleep is an important factor.

I have to test this out for a week to be able to give a review.
 
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