Rid's Log (return to Pre-PFS State and the final stretch)

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I have been following a CDNuts/gbol protocol for the last ~10 months and have seen great progress in the last few months, especially after experimenting with licorice root. I was one of the first guinea pigs on swolesource to talk about experimenting with lic root a few months ago after a member posted about recovery using it. The combination of Cd's protocol and things that I was already doing that gbold rec'd has definitely returned my body back to a normal homeostasis. Hair loss returned with a vengeance, body odor is back, oily skin, penis temp and everything else is pretty much back to normal. I don't have the same cortisol issues as before, I can live an active lifestyle all day and not crash myself, as long as diet and lifestyle stressors are managed (sleep, routine, etc,) although I'm still babying myself. Before It was hard to go a few hours of normal day without needing to check out and lie down. Happy to report sexual sides are subsiding aswell, but are not 100%, which is why this isn't in the recovery section quite yet.


My libido is returning day by day, especially after using hyst/cyst and following a similar protocol to what has been outlined for us in the zinc finger thread. my EQ is decent, and although I'm on 5mg cialis eod, which is practically nothing, it essentially makes me feel like I'm recovered and removes any mental component of ED.

I believe that most persistent sexual sides, i.e. those who return to pre-pfs but still experience sexual sides, in my case, if not most people's cases, are due to inflammation/scar tissue/venous leakage in our genitals that is caused by our hormonal/blood supply issues (and then there is one part that is mental/emotional, of course.) there's a lot of studies linking ED in young men to this kind of inflammation and it is commonly resolved by increasing blood flow and reducing inflammation to the genitals after identifying damage to the penis, which is why I would rec taking steps to lower overall inflammation and low dose cialis so strongly even though we would preferably avoid pharma. blood supply issues are commonly use it or lose it scenarios. you want as much blood flow as you can get down there, which will also stimulate libido. the longer your dick is out of commission, the more potential damage is going to happen. Anyways, that is for another post.

I'm doing very well and expect to improve more. I've waited to post this to see if I get any other snapbacks or crashes, but I've experimented with eating like shit and stressing out my body and I seem to have the old stress response back where I can feel like a normal human and not some fucking vegetable anymore, at least for the last few months. l appreciate all the work being done here. As everyone knows, this is a holistic issue, it will never be as simple as take this or that, I am using resources from our collective knowledge and it's amazing to see that we can be free of this bullshit even though it's really hard to believe that at times. I believe our recovery is impeded by our modern lifestyles and habits, our emotional/mental issues coming out of this thing, physiological/mineral imbalances and possible sexual atrophy.

I think the only thing preventing me from being completely recovered is inflammation/atrophy that I'm going to get more closely looked at this upcoming month. I don't think this is a permanent issue and there should be some simple fixes for this as far as increasing blood supply and addressing venous leakage, inflammation and/or atrophy. There's a reason why sexual sides are last to resolve, especially in long term cases, and it's definitely linked to damage to the penis/pudendal nerve as other posters/studies have mentioned.

I feel like there's still much work that I can do to improve my overall health, as I don't believe anyone with PFS/PSSD/CFS have been in balance for quite some time, but for now I'm just happy to be back to a pre-pfs state. there is a lot that needs to go into feeling better, but as far as returning our bodies to pre-pfs, I think this forum is on the right path, and I hope to learn more here and improve other underlying imbalances that contributed to this disease state in the first place. just remember, we don't have all the answers yet, only pieces of the puzzle, so do your research and have faith that you will improve.

Feel free to ask any questions or whatever.
 
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I believe our recovery is impeded by our modern lifestyles and habits, our emotional/mental issues coming out of this thing, physiological/mineral imbalances and possible sexual atrophy.
Yes, that is why there are so many "new" dis-ease!
 
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What did you manage to do in order to put yourself in a more natural way of life?

As an example, I decided to live in a place where I have to walk up and down all the time, and have no car. And I have a garden. What is natural is to not schedule exercise etc, as it is an obligation. Usually we do not do easily what we are not obliged to... unless we have a group movement we follow.
 

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have seen great progress in the last few months, especially after experimenting with licorice root.
First off, Congrats!!! It's not an easy journey at all.

I'm a PSSD-er interested in your use of Licorice. How often did you take/ what dose/ how long did it take to see any changes?
 

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What did you manage to do in order to put yourself in a more natural way of life?

As an example, I decided to live in a place where I have to walk up and down all the time, and have no car. And I have a garden. What is natural is to not schedule exercise etc, as it is an obligation. Usually we do not do easily what we are not obliged to... unless we have a group movement we follow.
I think this is one of the more important things simply because it's often so hard to do with our busy modern lives. Most aren't fortunate enough to be able to restart their lives and focus on a healthy foundation like this. I'm fortunate enough that I am but I still struggle with this. I believe routine is key, especially in the morning. I've completely taken off mornings so I can always get at least 8 hours of sleep and a proper start to my day with a morning walk on the beach, which will really set your circadian rhythm right. You're definitely going in the right direction here. It's ultimately about a good natural balance, and if you're in it you know it. You wake up feeling great and have energy, which I completely forgot was a thing. I was so used to feeling like shit every morning that I accepted it as life. If anyone wakes up not feeling good, you're not doing something right.

It's funny because I was doing a lot of helpful things that should've put my body back in balance, but I haven't really been able to go out and have fun because I'm so concentrated on recovery. I've definitely been in a bit of a hole, which makes it hard to see your progress, but now that I've been traveling for the holidays, having fun and lifting my mood, I see that my body is in a really good place and I'm able to keep up with my friends and family and even eat all this terrible food with them which I wouldn't have been able to do for most of this last year.

Still debating if I want to drink for new years.
 
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First off, Congrats!!! It's not an easy journey at all.

I'm a PSSD-er interested in your use of Licorice. How often did you take/ what dose/ how long did it take to see any changes?

appreciate it ghost, been following your journey for most of this year after finding you on reddit way back.

I believe low dose is key with lic root, I was taking around 1/4 a tsp, which may have even been a little much to start as it would start to crash me if I wasn't careful the next day. It definitely helped bring on a few crashes at first, but the crashes may be necessary- or at least the shitty feeling that accompanies the use of licorice root- champstar on SS mentions the same feeling before recovery, along with many others. There's also a connection with masturbation, I don't ever take lic root on the same day that I masturbate, really crashes you hard. Otherwise I would take it sporadically- sometimes multiple days in a row, sometimes a couple times a week and sometimes stopping for a couple weeks at a time. I haven't used it in a few weeks now and I feel like it's affects will stay with me. I think I started experimenting with it back in maybe august? I'll have to check my records. It's definitely related to cortisol, as I believe that our cortisol issues are closely related to our "crash," as gbol does, and it explains why we can't tolerate normal stressors like we used to.

I'm not so sure it matters how strict you are with licorice root, but I'd rec using it 1/4 tsp every other day a couple weeks on/off and only blowing a load when you actually get horny. Kinda like you guys have already been doing.
 
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I'm fortunate enough that I am but I still struggle with this. I believe routine is key, especially in the morning. I've completely taken off mornings so I can always get at least 8 hours of sleep and a proper start to my day with a morning walk on the beach, which will really set your circadian rhythm right.
Still struggle with what?
What coast do you live on?
My struggle is about routine, difficult for me....
 

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appreciate it ghost, been following your journey for most of this year after finding you on reddit way back.

I believe low dose is key with lic root, I was taking around 1/4 a tsp, which may have even been a little much to start as it would start to crash me if I wasn't careful the next day. It definitely helped bring on a few crashes at first, but the crashes may be necessary- or at least the shitty feeling that accompanies the use of licorice root- champstar on SS mentions the same feeling before recovery, along with many others. There's also a connection with masturbation, I don't ever take lic root on the same day that I masturbate, really crashes you hard. Otherwise I would take it sporadically- sometimes multiple days in a row, sometimes a couple times a week and sometimes stopping for a couple weeks at a time. I haven't used it in a few weeks now and I feel like it's affects will stay with me. I think I started experimenting with it back in maybe august? I'll have to check my records. It's definitely related to cortisol, as I believe that our cortisol issues are closely related to our "crash," as gbol does, and it explains why we can't tolerate normal stressors like we used to.

I'm not so sure it matters how strict you are with licorice root, but I'd rec using it 1/4 tsp every other day a couple weeks on/off and only blowing a load when you actually get horny. Kinda like you guys have already been doing.
It's interesting that you mention that. I feel that the other cases that have reversed had a similar pattern of a few days on and then a week or so off. Dosage also didn't seem to matter a ton. I felt awful on LR, and that feeling lasted for a bit after I quit. I walk a fine line between PSSD and calm vs. sex and anxiety. I'd pick the later every day though and know that there are other things for anxiety besides SSRIs and Benzos.

Sex should fall back in line for you soon though. You've probably read a good number of stories, but from my experience it's often the last thing to come back online and usually follows after the other things start to cascade. It sounds like you've "flipped the switch" so to speak.

Glad to hear all this and it gives me hope for trying LR again soon. The 4 days that I did before were too much. 2 sounds a lot more manageable!
 

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Still struggle with what?
What coast do you live on?
My struggle is about routine, difficult for me....
struggle with maintaining a healthy foundation for a more recovery focused life. routine is hard for me too, i'm a very in the moment, spontaneous kind of person.

i'm on the US east coast, but have lived on both for many years, yourself?
 

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It's interesting that you mention that. I feel that the other cases that have reversed had a similar pattern of a few days on and then a week or so off. Dosage also didn't seem to matter a ton. I felt awful on LR, and that feeling lasted for a bit after I quit. I walk a fine line between PSSD and calm vs. sex and anxiety. I'd pick the later every day though and know that there are other things for anxiety besides SSRIs and Benzos.

Sex should fall back in line for you soon though. You've probably read a good number of stories, but from my experience it's often the last thing to come back online and usually follows after the other things start to cascade. It sounds like you've "flipped the switch" so to speak.

Glad to hear all this and it gives me hope for trying LR again soon. The 4 days that I did before were too much. 2 sounds a lot more manageable!

yeah, in my experience I'd say go lower dose, and when you start feeling better, give yourself a little time and dose again.

personally, my anxiety has gone through patterns of being in and out of control, it definitely spiraled to the worst it's ever been at the start of all this, and it was a very physiological sort of anxiety as opposed to the typical social anxiety most are used to. I remember you saying that your anxiety and your sex sort of go together? I'm definitely the opposite and can't function well with anxiety, although it's hard to make me anxious now a days. I feel like I'm much more in tune with my sexual self, if I have a connection with someone then I'll be fully turned on, but if there's no chemistry, my body will react accordingly, whereas simple eye contact could get me going in the past.

definitely looking forward to things coming back online fully. I too think the notorious flip of the switch has happened again, but in my favor this time.
 
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struggle with maintaining a healthy foundation for a more recovery focused life. routine is hard for me too, i'm a very in the moment, spontaneous kind of person.
i'm on the US east coast, but have lived on both for many years, yourself?
Yes, that's it, and that is why I need to create some sort of "frame" of life that makes me HAVE to do what I decided was good for me. I need physical activity coupled to thinking activity, whereas our society foment separation of these 2 qualities! Either you should be a brain dealing with theories or a body doing stupid tasks....

Some people can use routine, but as I am very creative in the moment, I think I need to keep this by having to use a sharp brain adaptation instead of repetition. In essence I am an inventor and an architect... I can have more routine when the social part makes some variations in it possible.

I live on the Atlantic coast too, but facing you.... 28º latitude north.
 
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personally, my anxiety has gone through patterns of being in and out of control, it definitely spiraled to the worst it's ever been at the start of all this, and it was a very physiological sort of anxiety as opposed to the typical social anxiety most are used to.
By feeling the physiology, you touched a very important point!!! Also, it might have been part of taking the right way out... Let me re-phrase this: "the typical social anxiety most are used to". What if it was physiological for everybody? But people just do not feel it, and it happened that you noticed?

The 1st half of my life I worked as a mountain nature guide, and also with animals and children, and I learned little by little what I would have loved to have been told.... Then I went to study it, and I connected all the bouts together. We are lured by the word psychology to think it is not physiological, but it is. All I am would have been different if it was not from an early exposure to chemicals, also different if I did not have a horse fall that modified my breathing!
All this modified my physiology. Drugs can do the same. You stop shedding hair, you stop oily skin, you stop anxiety without knowing it is physiological and part of a chain, and then you discover what balance means. You said it man, it has to be holistic, and this is what has to change in our society. You cannot block a physiological stream without the stream finding another way out!
 

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congratz Rid on your improvements.

did you had penile numbness, i mean physical numbness where you can't feel touch? if yes how is that now?
I've had pfs since october 2016.

I had penile numbness, and what was worse was coldness.

It's almost completely back to normal. especially these last few weeks.
 

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wanted to update people on a recent rec from @mattyb - he suggested beet juicing, and it has been working phenomenally.

lots of good in juicing as many of you know- you should all be doing it.

beet juices, coupled with a few other anti inflam ingreds I've been using, have really restored me the last few weeks. beet's increase blood flow, increase NO, great for genital function. I've had a cold penis for months and I always knew no blood = fibrosis, beet juicing, along with arginine I've been taking has helped more than pde5 inhibs for returning a healthy blood supply. every one of you all should be trying this!

I forgot what it was like to feel good and have energy all day. It's pretty amazing.

don't lose hope guys, even though we may not know exactly what causes PFS and keeps us there, we now know enough to get out. I wanna lay down a basic protocol, because people apparently have too much trouble following @gbolduev's advice, so i'll do that in another thread.
 

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by the way @Scenes, are you stable, recovered from PFS and sexual problems or you are fluctuating up and down depending from what you ingest?
I considered myself recovered when I had a stable situation not changing even if drinking alchool or eating crap.
I read your posts and it seems you are still fluctuating depending from what you ingest..maybe I am wrong.
Just curious about your situation.

Nah I’m all good. Libido sky high, confidence high, energy great, erections and sensitivity good, hair looking better.

All I take currently is high dose vitamin c, eat lots of good fats and meat and fruit and veg and try to limit grains and bad fats. I’ve never been a healthy eater really.

Only supp I’d say I’m still wary of is zinc, but I haven’t taken it in ages, and I eat plenty of red meat and occasional oysters, and I have no issues.
today I was feeling similarly great, I'm probably exactly in your situation scenes. I'm still not 100% stable, my sexual health could be a little better but that's always the last thing to get 100 for most. still at a point where I enjoy sex and my erections are fine, but just not 100.

otherwise, everything is back to pre pfs. my body odor has really kicked up a notch lately, completely forgot what it was like to smell like a man. and jesus, it's fully back. my confidence in all aspects is back too, it's really amazing how much feeling like shit on the regular becomes an accustomed thing, makes you really appreciative when you climb out of that hell hole. one thing that's interesting is that my face is now red/inflamed and I run more on the hot side just like before PFS. additionally, along with body odor, more acne has shown up, but it's mostly diet related it seems. anyone got an answer for the extra acne and redness? I definitely see these as positive symptoms in regards to getting back my old homeostasis, but they're still kind of bothersome (inflammation/heat/acne.) my skin and hair were damn nice in PFS state but obviously I'll trade that for the confidence alone, not to mention the other host of sides.

I'm almost there, I can "lose balance" a bit, drink, stay up late, eat bad, stress, etc, without crashing, but I still feel shitty (as I should) and I don't think it's to our benefit to ever go back to our old unbalanced ways. I think it's erroneous to ever assume we will be cured. we will simply recover to a pre-PFS state, but there are many levels to this thing. we are susceptible, and as you know wuf: you (and all of us) can lose balance easier than others. even if you have recovered in the past.

assume we are in remission, rather than cured. we have to keep up with our lifestyle changes for this stuff to stick forever, which I have no problem with. I felt pretty shitty on the regular even before PFS, but that was a direct result of my unbalanced lifestyle that I know many of you have had aswell.

be well peeps.
 

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Congrats!
Could you write the protocol you followed to get at the point you are?
Thanks
yeah, it's coming my man, just want to do it right when I get some time later this week. of course, everything is on this website, I just want to put what worked for me and the steps that I think were most important, just because I know how important these success stories are in this community. detailing my timeline could maybe shed some light on when to take things as well. remember guys, everything is here! you just gotta know whether cortisol is up or down, I think that was really the only factor that will be different for everyone before the cascade can happen. luckily we know how to gauge this.