PFS and general poor health

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Hey peeps,
decided to start my own thread. Maybe some of you will remember me from the solvepfs forum.

Quick background: Had bad acne and really oily skin when I was 16-17. Doctor gave me antibiotics, it helped and cleared my acne for a few months. Acne came back stronger, doctor wants to put me on Accutane. I read into it and say no that shit is dangerous and decline. Look into Vitamin B5 megadosing to cure acne, try it for a week. My hair starts shedding like crazy. Second worst decision of my life.

Trying to look for a solution, I try every supplement. Nothing really helps. Objectively my hair was still completely fine and I was stressing out over nothing but I'm a vain piece of shit and obsess over my hair every day.

End up buying Finasteride generic online when I'm 19 and try it for a week. Worst decision of my life.
Stop after reading more into it. Go fine for a few months, then I crash bad.

Now I'm 23, living 4 years with PFS and general shit health.
Had like a 1 year phase where I felt pretty good, I got lots of sun, exercise, sleep and lifted weights like crazy. No responsibilites, no job, no university in that time period. Apart from that year I've been declining physically ever since taking Fin.

Current State:
Dry skin on whole body, face looks like shit with dark circles, lots of belly fat(probably cortisol) while being skinny/weak in the rest of my body.

Depression and low energy, sexual function is still okay. I can get a boner and fuck but often times low libido or weak sensation and weak orgasm.
Cold penis and cold extremities.

Gonna see a GI-Tract specialist in December to rule out celiac and food intolerances, thought about seeing a psychiatrist for ADHD meds but not sure if adding stimulants to my already struggling organism would be very smart.

Trying to quit porn/masturbation and all drugs(weed + caffeine mostly)


Got accepted into med school this year, studying to become a doctor and fix myself. Sorry for this rambling post, I should be studying and just took a short break.
 
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So, currently my supplement intake looks something like this:


Vitamin C + Iron in the morning on an empty stomach (I have history of being borderline anemic; could be digestion related)

Then I drink a glass of warm water with lime juice.

I take Fish Oil, Cod Liver Oil, Vitamin D3/K2 combo supplement and B12 after breakfast.

For studying and energy I take 3000mg Guarana Powder(comes to around 100mg Caffeine) and 200mg Theanine.

I have some potassium chloride powder which I drink throughout the day, my potassium intake is a bit low from diet and I read high cortisol increases potassium excretion.

Before gym I usually take 1g Creatine Hcl and 1g L-Carnitine and before bed I rub magnesium oil on my body.

I have quite a few other supplements laying around that I am taking intermittently.
Stuff like Digestive Enzymes, Probiotics, Tribulus, Maca, amino acids(Glutamine, Taurine, Glycine, Histidine, NAC, Trypotphan etc.)

I think supplements help but I have not been able to reverse the condition or find a permanent fix unfortunately.
 
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In terms of lifestyle/diet I try to eat as healthy as possible. I'm pretty broke tho so I am a bit limited in my options.

For breakfast I either eat overnight oats with a little milk and bananas+apples and some psyllium husk or I make an omelette.

Lunch and dinner I usually go for a carb source(main carb sources being potatoes, sweet potatoes, brown rice, Quinoa, lentils), vegetables(brocooli, zucchini, spinach, kale) and protein(chicken, beef, pork, turkey, fish)

I'd say my diet is okay but I'm unsure if eating grains(oats[pseudograin], brown rice etc.) is good. But it's cheap, lots of calories, good protein and decent vitamins/minerals.

Atm I'm trying to cut out stuff like pasta and pizza and incorporate more lentils, beans and fish.

I don't drink coffee(makes my tummy feel weird and my whole body feel acidic) and tea(black and green) makes me feel weird too.

I go to the gym a few times a week, I do cardio, weight training and some stretching. After that I go in the steam room and take cold showers.

I want to get back into playing football again once I am in better shape again(had a long gym layoff this year).

I think playing competetive sports REALLY helps my condition. The sprinting is good for your endocrine system and the competitve mindset is really valuable too. It's the only time I feel aggression , I'm just so passive most of the time now. Like a eunuch
 
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So, I squatted yesterday again for the first time in a while. Really liked it. Can't wait to get back in the gym and do squats/deadlifts again.
I had a really bad moment today in the afternoon but then I drank some potassium and it really lifted my mood. Interesting.


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I mentioned I would go to a GI specialist to rule out celiac's. I ate some wheat pasta today and I'm so bloated and my stomach feels like it's about to burst.
I think I'm just gonna cut out gluten and see how I feel even though it would make antigen blood testing for Celiac's difficult at my appointment in 3 weeks.

I read iron deficiency anemia is a huge symptom for celiac's. I have been eating wheat all my life and I definitely have a lot of anemia symptoms and wheat pasta always made me hugely bloated. Same for pizza, just makes me fall in a food coma and fart like a water buffalo if I eat it.

So I'm gonna try cutting out gluten completely and keep taking iron+vitamin C in the morning on an empty stomach.
I've also been eating a lot of oats over the last 3 years and I'm gonna stop that too. From now on only real fucking food, no more shitty gluten grains
 
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Didn't post much lately, had a big exam and then had a really bad phase basically smoking weed 24/7.
Anyway, today I randomly took Coenzyme Q10 and one pill tribulus.
About an hour later I started feeling really good, libido came back strong and good erections. I ejaculated and for the first time in YEARS didn't feel extremely tired afterwards.
Brain fog was gone and my old witty character came back and I had a good time.

Not sure whether it was the Q10 or the Tribulus. I had similar reactions to taking Tribulus in the past, I will double the dose of Trib tomorrow and see how I feel.
I think it's quite possible we have some form of mitochondriopathy.

It's really interesting so many PFSers have strong reactions to Tribulus, especially the ones that contain a lot of protodioscin.
 

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I mentioned I would go to a GI specialist to rule out celiac's. I ate some wheat pasta today and I'm so bloated and my stomach feels like it's about to burst.
I think I'm just gonna cut out gluten and see how I feel even though it would make antigen blood testing for Celiac's difficult at my appointment in 3 weeks.

I read iron deficiency anemia is a huge symptom for celiac's. I have been eating wheat all my life and I definitely have a lot of anemia symptoms and wheat pasta always made me hugely bloated. Same for pizza, just makes me fall in a food coma and fart like a water buffalo if I eat it.

So I'm gonna try cutting out gluten completely and keep taking iron+vitamin C in the morning on an empty stomach.
I've also been eating a lot of oats over the last 3 years and I'm gonna stop that too. From now on only real fucking food, no more shitty gluten grains
Sometimes iron deficiency anemia is actually low copper. And sometimes it's not low copper itself but lack of magnesium or potassium which you need for ceruloplasmin to use copper, or selenium or iodine or molybdenum or zinc which you need for it as well.

If you actually have low copper then vitamin C could make it worse cause it depletes copper. And too much iron actually can block copper from being used as well. But for anemia, chocolate and grassfed beef liver (don't eat that much, easy to overdo, but has copper iron vit A, you need all 3 for blood) and beef muscle meat (for zinc and selenium) are often helpful or even curative foods for some. If these don't help you might be toxic in a mineral instead and that's blocking things in your body from working.

But as you can see there are a lot of reasons why someone might be anemic, and you shouldn't take things at random cause you can make yourself worse since you don't know which is the actual problem, so that's why it is good to get tested, like an HTMA. Many people here may recommend you try TEI, which is designed to figure out and fix imbalances like that rather than have you guess and risk making yourself worse, and has helped a lot of people here for PFS.

And for some people (but not all), saturated fat like dairy fat can help regrow hair or slow or halt hair loss.

Good luck!
 

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Hey peeps,
decided to start my own thread. Maybe some of you will remember me from the solvepfs forum.

Quick background: Had bad acne and really oily skin when I was 16-17. Doctor gave me antibiotics, it helped and cleared my acne for a few months. Acne came back stronger, doctor wants to put me on Accutane. I read into it and say no that shit is dangerous and decline. Look into Vitamin B5 megadosing to cure acne, try it for a week. My hair starts shedding like crazy. Second worst decision of my life.

Trying to look for a solution, I try every supplement. Nothing really helps. Objectively my hair was still completely fine and I was stressing out over nothing but I'm a vain piece of shit and obsess over my hair every day.

End up buying Finasteride generic online when I'm 19 and try it for a week. Worst decision of my life.
Stop after reading more into it. Go fine for a few months, then I crash bad.

Now I'm 23, living 4 years with PFS and general shit health.
Had like a 1 year phase where I felt pretty good, I got lots of sun, exercise, sleep and lifted weights like crazy. No responsibilites, no job, no university in that time period. Apart from that year I've been declining physically ever since taking Fin.

Current State:
Dry skin on whole body, face looks like shit with dark circles, lots of belly fat(probably cortisol) while being skinny/weak in the rest of my body.

Depression and low energy, sexual function is still okay. I can get a boner and fuck but often times low libido or weak sensation and weak orgasm.
Cold penis and cold extremities.

Gonna see a GI-Tract specialist in December to rule out celiac and food intolerances, thought about seeing a psychiatrist for ADHD meds but not sure if adding stimulants to my already struggling organism would be very smart.

Trying to quit porn/masturbation and all drugs(weed + caffeine mostly)


Got accepted into med school this year, studying to become a doctor and fix myself. Sorry for this rambling post, I should be studying and just took a short break.
I think you might prefer to study toward becoming a surgeon. Its straight foward life saving procedures.
Instead of becoming a middleman for untrustworthy drug lords(pharma). Just my 2 cents.

But good luck in whichever path you take in the medical realm.
 

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Sometimes iron deficiency anemia is actually low copper. And sometimes it's not low copper itself but lack of magnesium or potassium which you need for ceruloplasmin to use copper, or selenium or iodine or molybdenum or zinc which you need for it as well.

If you actually have low copper then vitamin C could make it worse cause it depletes copper. And too much iron actually can block copper from being used as well. But for anemia, chocolate and grassfed beef liver (don't eat that much, easy to overdo, but has copper iron vit A, you need all 3 for blood) and beef muscle meat (for zinc and selenium) are often helpful or even curative foods for some. If these don't help you might be toxic in a mineral instead and that's blocking things in your body from working.

But as you can see there are a lot of reasons why someone might be anemic, and you shouldn't take things at random cause you can make yourself worse since you don't know which is the actual problem, so that's why it is good to get tested, like an HTMA. Many people here may recommend you try TEI, which is designed to figure out and fix imbalances like that rather than have you guess and risk making yourself worse, and has helped a lot of people here for PFS.

And for some people (but not all), saturated fat like dairy fat can help regrow hair or slow or halt hair loss.

Good luck!
I don’t know that that’s true. In fact, I think the general consensus here has been that TEI, while perhaps fixing some minor issues, has been a bit of a dud. At least as it pertains to addressing the persistent sexual side effect occurrence. I am coming up on two years on the supplements, and there is no movement. I continue to do it because I don’t know what else to do, but it seems others are in the same boat. It doesn’t seem like people have really had any movement from TEI. “Well, just wait longer!” I don’t know that I buy that anymore. Even if gradual, you have to see some movement. So, we sit and wait......
 
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I think you might prefer to study toward becoming a surgeon. Its straight foward life saving procedures.
Instead of becoming a middleman for untrustworthy drug lords(pharma). Just my 2 cents.

But good luck in whichever path you take in the medical realm.
Thanks man.


Hair mineral analysis is something I could look into for sure.
I took only the CoQ10 today and no tribulus, didn't get the same effects so it's probably the Trib.
Might take some more before going to the gym tonight
 
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Anyone here take any multivitamins or are they bullshit since they have 10 different vitamins/minerals who compete for absorption?
If you take one, please give me recommendations and I'll look into it
 
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Starting to consider the possibility of having some issues with high adrenaline. I have high blood pressure, high resting heart rate, vasoconstriction in extremeties etc.
I thought it was maybe thyroid but all thyroid tests came back normal.

Also my digestion has been out of whack for quite some time now. Been trying to reduce symptoms by using probiotics, psyllium husk and drinking tea.
Getting a food intolerance test beginning of February and going to the laboratory for bloods sometime this week or next, checking for gluten intolerance and some general markers
 
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Anybody know what's up with Ammonia smell?
I read it could be due to low protein intake(body breaks down muscle protein for fuel) or too high protein intake(ammonia is byproduct of body breaking down protein into amino acids).
I get it under my armpits and today my girlfriend told me I smell fruity. Im worried about possible diabtes, anybody here experienced the same?
 
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Also high cortisol increases muscle breakdown and fat loss.
I definitely have fat loss in some places(under eyes, cheeks) and more fat around my belly even though I'm not overweight.
 
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So my plan for the next few months is:
-try to fix depression with a psychologist
-NoFap as much as possible
-start herb cycling and creatine HcL again in combination with lifting weights and cardio
-trying the various amino acids I have(NAC,arginine, glycine,taurine,Methionine etc.)
-ensure sufficient protein and mineral intake(depression kills my appetite, just got some protein powder where I supplement every day and bought some "alkaline powder", its a mix of calcium, magnesium, potassium, zinc and sodium)
-eat liver once a week
-keep going to steam room multiple times a week to help detox
-daily sun exposure and light therapy with my daylight lamp
-cold showers only
-work with my gastroenterologist(she is specialist for hepatology and internal medicine as well so if something is wrong with kidney/liver/metabolism/gut I can hopefully find at least what's wrong and try to fix it)


If my physical and mental health don't improve by July I might consider taking a 1 year break from med school and go all in on fixing my issues.
The hardest part about PFS is seeing your physical health deteriorate while you should be at the peak of your health(early 20s). Meanwhile you don't have a fucking clue what is wrong because every examination comes back normal, hormone's are normal, blood levels are normal, ECG is normal, thyroid is normal.
Doctor's can't find the problem but clearly something is wrong, we all share similar symptoms that can't be explained solely by psychosomatic causes/placebo or nocebo effect.
 
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Do you think herbs being old is bad? I bought a lot of stuff like pine pollen, ashwagandha, maca root, tribulus ages ago and put them in tupperware containers in my closet. I don't see any visible fungus or signs of spoilage but want to be on the safe side, especially with stomach acid concentrations potentially low in PFS ppl and as a result less killing off bacteria in the stomach and possible route of entrance for pathogens and bacteria.
 
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Found this interesting community on reddit: A community that feel relief from hangovers and are looking for answers as to why

They seem to suffer from similar problems as PFS people and they ALL feel better after drinking alcohol, just like a lot of people here.
MTHFR Polymorphism is something they talk about a lot

Edit: This is the top post on the subreddit and wow, it nails me down to a T
https://www.reddit.com/r/hangovereffect/comments/cgvfhs
I definitely have repressed trauma(partly PFS and also some from before PFS) that I am still holding onto and it's expressing itself in the form of neuromuscular tension which causes further issues
 
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