Mateusz's Log TEI

Mateusz

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Hi all,

I wasn't sure where to put it so i put it here.
I've been reading this forum for months, I wrote 1 thread, but didn't get the info that I actually wanted, so I decided to write a log now.
I'm 23 yo male, suffering already a little over 4 years, not sure how long exactly.

I,ve been taking Accutane ( a different brand, same drug) for about a year, it cleared up my skin, I had no issues with this drug except dry lips, I was feeling completely normal after this.
About 2 years later I started weight lifting, and later on I started taking SOY protein isolate, after 3 months on it I got basically most of symptoms like you guys after Fin, accutane, etc. I have been reading about soy a lot, they fu*k with estrogen receptors, and mimic DHT, making it not working.
For 4 years I've been trying herbs, vitamins, heavy lifting, etc. nothing helped so far. I've seen many doctors, did many tests and hormonal panels, everything looked good, my T was pretty high.
There were only 2 things that actually made me feel better:
1. I was taking bupropion for a month, and I felt like everything was coming back for like 2 days, but then it went away, I had to stop taking it because I couldn't sleep and my stool was turning white ish.
2. I had an airplane flight to my country, for 2 weeks and then back to USA, after I came back and right after the flight I had some erections that didn't happened before. I had some kind of libido for maybe 3 days, but then it faded away. I didn't knew why, only thing that I can think of is that I drank few BLACK TEAs which I never drink- I think that they made me feel good, but I realised that just recently. Also when I drank Oolong tea it made my balls painful for about an hour some time after drinking it.

My symptoms (just those that I really care about):
-anhedonia
-0 libido
-depression
-Basically zero motivation, for anything
-suicidal thoughts (only when I'm losing hope)
-basically no erections (only 1 when I wake up or make him stand up by myself and its not always there and its not really strong)
-fatigue

Right now I'm on TEI, I just got my first retest and I'm confused it looks worse than the first test, any ideas? Am I wrong?
Also, while on 1st round I had some stronger erections, and very weak libido (only if I would watch porn), but this went away after 1 week after finishing the 1st round.
Another thing that I have noticed is that I have my dreams back(I'm finally dreaming in my sleep again, I had no dreams for 4 years) they started come up when on supplements and they are still there after stopping the supplements for 4 weeks now, this is important to me, because whenever I was feeling better I had dreams as well.

I'm here basically to know your opinion, ideas what could happen to me, and do you see a pattern in my lab tests that I could feel like that?
Thank you for any advice, help, or respond. I'm FAST 4 on both tests.
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Welcome man! I have to read through your post but I read the top part you wrote and there's definitely hope. I've seen a lot of results on my stuff but TEI seems like it'll help big time so stick with that.

What country did you visit ?
 

bruschi11

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Welcome man. Just keep it up with tei, good diet. I’m sure your body will start taking care of itself. Maybe mix in a liver flush here or there to detox or short fasts like 24 to 36 hours.
 

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Welcome
Your story with soy resonates with mine. I didn't have particular issues with accutane while on it, except the usual dryness. Right after I was tired and feeling dry but still functioning fine
Then 7/8 months later I flew to japan and obviously ate a lot of soy, green tea, .. and crashed in a matter of weeks with the symptoms you described, really weird stuff

Good luck and keep us updated
 

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Funny thing is that some people feel better on SOY in PFS))


stick with TEI your hairtest is better not worse.
 

Helen

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@Mateusz I think this has to do with estrogen receptor

You could try to figure out which position soy adjusted your estrogen receptors to and basically readjust them

if soy acted like estrogen in you , then it downregulated the receptor, if soy acted like SERM in your, then it upregulates the receptor

So in these 2 cases, the cures would be either estrogen or anti estrogen. ( but you should not feel great on what you would be doing.)

meaning if soy downregulated the estrogen receptor, then taking anti estrogen will make you feel really bad. but then upon withdrawal better.

same with taking bioidentical estrogen in another case
 

Mateusz

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Hi all,
First of all, thank you for responds.

Do TEI gives you a full diet or just the sups list? thanks
Yes, they do, they say what to avoid and what to increase in diet.

Welcome man! I have to read through your post but I read the top part you wrote and there's definitely hope. I've seen a lot of results on my stuff but TEI seems like it'll help big time so stick with that.

What country did you visit ?
Poland.

Welcome man. Just keep it up with tei, good diet. I’m sure your body will start taking care of itself. Maybe mix in a liver flush here or there to detox or short fasts like 24 to 36 hours.
I don't want to mix stuff I think it will be better if I just stick with TEI only.

@Mateusz I think this has to do with estrogen receptor

You could try to figure out which position soy adjusted your estrogen receptors to and basically readjust them

if soy acted like estrogen in you , then it downregulated the receptor, if soy acted like SERM in your, then it upregulates the receptor

So in these 2 cases, the cures would be either estrogen or anti estrogen. ( but you should not feel great on what you would be doing.)

meaning if soy downregulated the estrogen receptor, then taking anti estrogen will make you feel really bad. but then upon withdrawal better.

same with taking bioidentical estrogen in another case
Well, that's what I thought, but now while I'm on TEI I think I should just keep going on it. The thing is that I don't want to try different things that could possibly help me fast, I just want to be normal again. Other reason is that I'm just afraid to take hormones, or blockers because I don't want to fu*k it up even more and waste time, and I don't know what exactly should I try to take. If you could help me, then maybe I could try it, but I guess you get countless messages like this, so I would be ready to pay you for your time, but TEI is my best bet right now, don't you think?
And is my retest better because Ca and Mg went up?
 

Mateusz

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Hi,
Little update.
I’m 20 days away from ending 2 round of TEI this one will be 90days. I didn’t felt any difference I would say in this round, like nothing really changed, motivation 0, libido 0, erections 0. I don’t know if it’s good or not, but I feel no difference between taking supplements or not taking them, I feel like I could take 3 dose and still didn’t feel anything really (I didn’t tried it, I just think that I could).
It is weird, because on previous round I felt better, I had some erections, good sleep, good bowel movements etc. also right before starting second round I had stone hard erections few times (this was around 1 month after stopping first round) and now nothing, completely nothing. I’ll wait of course and see what happens after I stop this one and do a retest. But there must be something, I think I was eating something that I don’t eat now, I rememer eating that fkin fish sardines almost every day before. Now I’m starting eating it again and just got some bowel movements, and better sleep last night...
I was thinking, can I take something for bile flow while on TEI? And check how do I feel on it?
Also @Helen I understand what you mean by downregulated and unregulated etc. but I don’t know what exactly should I take and for how long, I am thinking of going this way if I won’t feel any difference after 3rd round, I was thinking about clomid in the past because after taking soy my Testosterone went down, and I wanted to reset it, I didn’t take it at the end, because my T went back to normal, like all the other hormones.
Thanks.
 
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Hi,
Little update.
I’m 20 days away from ending 2 round of TEI this one will be 90days. I didn’t felt any difference I would say in this round, like nothing really changed, motivation 0, libido 0, erections 0. I don’t know if it’s good or not, but I feel no difference between taking supplements or not taking them, I feel like I could take 3 dose and still didn’t feel anything really (I didn’t tried it, I just think that I could).
It is weird, because on previous round I felt better, I had some erections, good sleep, good bowel movements etc. also right before starting second round I had stone hard erections few times (this was around 1 month after stopping first round) and now nothing, completely nothing. I’ll wait of course and see what happens after I stop this one and do a retest. But there must be something, I think I was eating something that I don’t eat now, I rememer eating that fkin fish sardines almost every day before. Now I’m starting eating it again and just got some bowel movements, and better sleep last night...
I was thinking, can I take something for bile flow while on TEI? And check how do I feel on it?
Also @Helen I understand what you mean by downregulated and unregulated etc. but I don’t know what exactly should I take and for how long, I am thinking of going this way if I won’t feel any difference after 3rd round, I was thinking about clomid in the past because after taking soy my Testosterone went down, and I wanted to reset it, I didn’t take it at the end, because my T went back to normal, like all the other hormones.
Thanks.
You really can't judge the cycle while on it. You need to be two to four weeks off of tei to see where you are at. Every cycle is different and works on different layers and some things that are improving you might not notice. Don't just focus on sexual sides.

Also, I could be wrong about this but, I think 90 days on the same supps is to long. I would go 60 days max and a two to four weeks break while retesting. In my experience it doesn't take long for the supps to push you into a new metabolism type. For example you can go from a slow 3 to a slow 1 pretty fast.

Just because you feel good on sardines does not mean they are good for you. If you are a slow metabolism high purine foods are not recommended.

It can get discouraging at times but the longer you are on the program the better you will feel.
 

Mateusz

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Also, I could be wrong about this but, I think 90 days on the same supps is to long. I would go 60 days max and a two to four weeks break while retesting. In my experience it doesn't take long for the supps to push you into a new metabolism type. For example you can go from a slow 3 to a slow 1 pretty fast.
So maybe I should end this round now? The reason I decided to go 90 days is because after first 60 day round I was still in fast 4.
 

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So maybe I should end this round now? The reason I decided to go 90 days is because after first 60 day round I was still in fast 4.
Maybe some other people will chime in but I think 60 days is more than long enough to be on supps. Did your support recommendations change after your first?
 

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Maybe some other people will chime in but I think 60 days is more than long enough to be on supps. Did your support recommendations change after your first?
I would agree with this. If you look at my first test, I took supplements for only 45 days, and look at the difference in my first to second hair test.
 

Mateusz

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Maybe some other people will chime in but I think 60 days is more than long enough to be on supps. Did your support recommendations change after your first?
They didn’t, you can check above, I posted both tests, still in same fast 4 and little change after 60 day round 1.

I would agree with this. If you look at my first test, I took supplements for only 45 days, and look at the difference in my first to second hair test.
Well, yes, I saw it. But check mine, not a big difference.
 

boris

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They didn’t, you can check above, I posted both tests, still in same fast 4 and little change after 60 day round 1.


Well, yes, I saw it. But check mine, not a big difference.
Even though they didn't change did they give you different suggestions for the supplements? I agree 90 days is too long for one cycle. Plus not every cycle you are going to feel great, that is just the nature of it.
 
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Mateusz

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Even though they didn't change did they give you different suggestions for the supplements? I agree 90 days is too long for one cycle. Plus not every cycle you are going to feel great, that is just the nature of it.
No, supplements and diet is the same. The thing with feeling good or not is I don’t feel any change basically while taking them or not.
 

boris

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No, supplements and diet is the same. The thing with feeling good or not is I don’t feel any change basically while taking them or not.
What about the dosing frequency and amount rather than just what supplements they suggested ? I see two tests but only one supplement suggestion
 

Mateusz

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What about the dosing frequency and amount rather than just what supplements they suggested ? I see two tests but only one supplement suggestion
Like I said, it is the same, same amounts, dosage at the same time during the day, everything is the same.
 

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