Jin Stewart Kills PFS ('Roid Rage)

[Helen]

He takes minerals E3D after a couple months. He ran what you told him to run, but he did it in his own way. Also I believe he utilized copper-Gcu.

I think we are forgetting on this forum how important zinc finger and copper-Gcu were for guys who healed.

OK, man, i talked to him just recently, i know a lot more than you about what he ran and what he did not run. He is bad now. and I told him he need to run TEI or ARL and rotate the programs, you cant run just one program, and the first program, I helped him to create based solely on ARL, same as with Herrfisch

The reason why people feel bad, since their hairtests are wrong, since you test hair after doing some crazy shit LOL

 

[bruschi11]

OK, man, i talked to him just recently, i know a lot more than you about what he ran and what he did not run. He is bad now. and I told him he need to run TEI or ARL and rotate the programs, you cant run just one program, and the first program, I helped him to create based solely on ARL, same as with Herrfisch

The reason why people feel bad, since their hairtests are wrong, since you test hair after doing some crazy shit LOL

I gotcha )))).

That’s why I’m just gonna eat well and exercise for a month after this fast. See a baseline.

I agree that everyone should get a hair test and try it pretty immediately ARL or tei. Or if we find a practitioner like I believe I’ve found who can run similar program then great.

While I think balancing is huge #1 in terms of fixing us- I just see a few more pieces to the puzzle that can make this process faster. Such as fasting, such as juicing, gut stuff like colostrum and probiotic enemas (been making me feel amazing during this fast), removing a potent pathogen load if needed, or toxic load.

I understand that the end goal with HTMA balancing is all of the above. Htma should take care of everything in long run, years time. But in short term we can make this process faster and easier.

 

[supernature]

but you have lyme which l nolvaline helps.

@bruschi11
Is it really helping with lyme, at what aspect ? Ive read spares arginine.


"Cytotoxicity and mitochondrial dysfunction caused by the dietary supplement l-norvaline"

 

[bruschi11]

@bruschi11
Is it really helping with lyme, at what aspect ? Ive read spares arginine.


"Cytotoxicity and mitochondrial dysfunction caused by the dietary supplement l-norvaline"

Yea lol it doesn't help in terms of feeling better when I take it... I feel worse. I go into a herxheimer reaction and of course there is cytotoxicity and mitochondrial dysfunction. Pathogens are dying and ammonia is increasing substantially.

This was really really bad pre-antibiotics when pathogen load was extremely high this past January and February. Antibiotics knocked pathogen load down... now when I use norvaline the "herx" has been completely tolerable. Feel like something is being turned on in system from it like aggression, little bit of anxiety, but overall a normality I haven't felt in a long time.

Its one of several things I'm doing for pathogen load. But this is a "terrain" type way of going after Lyme pathogen I guess per Helen.

Using herbs along with (one weekly) urine injection to move TH2 dominant immune system more towards TH1. Laser Therapy, Rife Machine, fasting (currently), probiotic enemas, ARL type balancing program, sauna and so on.

But I must say the norvaline is something I can vogue for. It was scary bad the herx when I did a liver flush in late January day after Norvaline. I was constipated so toxins had nowhere to go, I had severe depression, was in panic attack. Had to take a valium lol.

 

[supernature]

Yea lol it doesn't help in terms of feeling better when I take it... I feel worse. I go into a herxheimer reaction and of course there is cytotoxicity and mitochondrial dysfunction. Pathogens are dying and ammonia is increasing substantially.

This was really really bad pre-antibiotics when pathogen load was extremely high this past January and February. Antibiotics knocked pathogen load down... now when I use norvaline the "herx" has been completely tolerable. Feel like something is being turned on in system from it like aggression, little bit of anxiety, but overall a normality I haven't felt in a long time.

Its one of several things I'm doing for pathogen load. But this is a "terrain" type way of going after Lyme pathogen I guess per Helen.

Using herbs along with (one weekly) urine injection to move TH2 dominant immune system more towards TH1. Laser Therapy, Rife Machine, fasting (currently), probiotic enemas, ARL type balancing program, sauna and so on.

But I must say the norvaline is something I can vogue for. It was scary bad the herx when I did a liver flush in late January day after Norvaline. I was constipated so toxins had nowhere to go, I had severe depression, was in panic attack. Had to take a valium lol.

Sounds like a quiet busy healing schedule, but if helping with some things then at least short term or from time to time is good choice despite the side effects mentioned in the article.

 

[jinstewart]

Thanks again all - I feel a little (in fact markedly) better today. LORD KNOWS HOW but I managed to get 12 hours sleep last night. Sexually I feel worse but fuck it.

Okay, so, long term I'm still not convinced by TEI itself, however we KNOW that mineral balancing cured 3 people (Secenes, Raincoast - despite current affairs and ofc Gbold.) No question on those. The huge "but" though is that TEI might not work. And it takes forever to "might not work".

So, as far as I see it my best bet will be to pick some of the simpler protocols, tread some old ground, and just see if a few months on any sort me.

That being the case, spinach! I'll stick with this for a month and take some supps. Tryingnottoworry noticed improvement shortly but as @bruschi11 rightly said mariovitali DIDN'T get fully cured on it, so his theory of spinach and supporting methylation/genetic 'holes' may not be the answer. Or might be for some. And so on. I've only just had my solvepfs login approved, and there's MUCH on there.

This'll be the best route for me I think. I don't and cannot operate on the same level as you guys, but I can tread old ground and stick with a protocol. I've been doing Cdnuts' protocol since end of Dec (yes even cold showers) and I'm not convinced it's for me. It's not to say he's a charlatan or anything and I am CERTAIN he means well and has nursed many to help patiently and with kindness. I might try it again another time (I do LOVE exercise.)

So, back to spinach and supps and I'll update. After that maybe Apr1989's tribulus, then maybe TyCr0Z's tomato juice cycles for sexual symptoms... then any and all vegetable-based misadventures I can get up to until Helen just discovers the cure is toothpaste or something and we're all better.

I also need to add in that I'm sorry if I'm disappointing anyone by ignoring advice you've patiently posted to me. I appreciate everyone who's taken the time to reply to me ever. I'm just making decisions based on what I think is best in my life, so I can get back to me, the girl I love, and everything I used to have. Thank you all so so much and I wish you and all sufferers the very best of luck on almost an hourly basis, and I (seriously and honestly) don't know what I'd do without you.

And I might even succeed or find some missing link on the way, who knows? Wish me luck too.

 

[Walker]

Best of luck. I respect your optimism, but I'm sorry - this isn't a month or four month long thing. It might be in the future, but the approaches aren't there yet. Currently, you're going to spend some time doing this. Chasing the silver bullet approach can be dangerous - there's a reason we're all suggesting you do CDsnuts or TEI...... it's not to keep you from the girl you love or life you loved, it's to get you back there in the safest and most proven way possible. If you spent only three months doing the CDsnuts protocol, you basically just got started and quit before the engines got revved up.

I respect you for making decisions based on your own opinions and desires - but please be safe. This is a rough time for many individuals, and when they fall into hopelessness from chasing things, they end up in a bad spot mentally and make life altering decisions that I personally would never want to see anyone make.

 

[Boris]

Thanks again all - I feel a little (in fact markedly) better today. LORD KNOWS HOW but I managed to get 12 hours sleep last night. Sexually I feel worse but fuck it.

Okay, so, long term I'm still not convinced by TEI itself, however we KNOW that mineral balancing cured 3 people (Secenes, Raincoast - despite current affairs and ofc Gbold.) No question on those. The huge "but" though is that TEI might not work. And it takes forever to "might not work".

So, as far as I see it my best bet will be to pick some of the simpler protocols, tread some old ground, and just see if a few months on any sort me.

That being the case, spinach! I'll stick with this for a month and take some supps. Tryingnottoworry noticed improvement shortly but as @bruschi11 rightly said mariovitali DIDN'T get fully cured on it, so his theory of spinach and supporting methylation/genetic 'holes' may not be the answer. Or might be for some. And so on. I've only just had my solvepfs login approved, and there's MUCH on there.

This'll be the best route for me I think. I don't and cannot operate on the same level as you guys, but I can tread old ground and stick with a protocol. I've been doing Cdnuts' protocol since end of Dec (yes even cold showers) and I'm not convinced it's for me. It's not to say he's a charlatan or anything and I am CERTAIN he means well and has nursed many to help patiently and with kindness. I might try it again another time (I do LOVE exercise.)

So, back to spinach and supps and I'll update. After that maybe Apr1989's tribulus, then maybe TyCr0Z's tomato juice cycles for sexual symptoms... then any and all vegetable-based misadventures I can get up to until Helen just discovers the cure is toothpaste or something and we're all better.

I also need to add in that I'm sorry if I'm disappointing anyone by ignoring advice you've patiently posted to me. I appreciate everyone who's taken the time to reply to me ever. I'm just making decisions based on what I think is best in my life, so I can get back to me, the girl I love, and everything I used to have. Thank you all so so much and I wish you and all sufferers the very best of luck on almost an hourly basis, and I (seriously and honestly) don't know what I'd do without you.

And I might even succeed or find some missing link on the way, who knows? Wish me luck too.

You should go to the TEI section and check out the logs of users like @Goose12 @tonysoprano and others rather than just look at mineral balancing logs in general. You can experiment if you'd like but you are going to waste months just "trying" stuff rather than progressing on something more proven. I'm just saying that because you seem to be somewhat new here and most of us have already went down that route that you are planning to do now and eventually most of us got tired of experimenting and waiting and just went on TEI. Basically set it to and forget it mentality. You can do what you choose but if you are looking for an overnight magic bullet there isn't one as in your words if Helen did discover something in the meantime you could always go off TEI if it was that good.

I'm not discouraging new experiments but most of the stuff you listed has been tried already either on PH or here so seems like a waste of time IMO unless you are trying something completely new

 

[jinstewart]

Best of luck. I respect your optimism, but I'm sorry - this isn't a month or four month long thing. It might be in the future, but the approaches aren't there yet. Currently, you're going to spend some time doing this. Chasing the silver bullet approach can be dangerous - there's a reason we're all suggesting you do CDsnuts or TEI...... it's not to keep you from the girl you love or life you loved, it's to get you back there in the safest and most proven way possible. If you spent only three months doing the CDsnuts protocol, you basically just got started and quit before the engines got revved up.

I respect you for making decisions based on your own opinions and desires - but please be safe. This is a rough time for many individuals, and when they fall into hopelessness from chasing things, they end up in a bad spot mentally and make life altering decisions that I personally would never want to see anyone make.

Thanks Walker - I'm going to try them I think. If I end up in a place where I've got no girl and career is unresolvable then I'll just do TEI. I know nobody here's keeping me from the old life I had, in fact I know and think quite the opposite and I'm glad you all want to help still. I just can't give up on the quick fixes. Or at least, the not too risky ones. I don't know there are cast-iron guarantees with TEI or with Cd's protocol though. If they were definites then I definitely would, but I just can't see them as 100% surety.

You should go to the TEI section and check out the logs of users like @Goose12 @tonysoprano and others rather than just look at mineral balancing logs in general. You can experiment if you'd like but you are going to waste months just "trying" stuff rather than progressing on something more proven. I'm just saying that because you seem to be somewhat new here and most of us have already went down that route that you are planning to do now and eventually most of us got tired of experimenting and waiting and just went on TEI. Basically set it to and forget it mentality. You can do what you choose but if you are looking for an overnight magic bullet there isn't one as in your words if Helen did discover something in the meantime you could always go off TEI if it was that good.

I'm not discouraging new experiments but most of the stuff you listed has been tried already either on PH or here so seems like a waste of time IMO unless you are trying something completely new

And again thanks Boris. I'll be trying things that have randomly worked for one or two people and see. If they got better naturally and not because of anything they took then that might also be the case for me too, and you'll see a recovery post from me swearing that wiping my bottom front to back cured my PFS or somesuch, but I can't be "this" anymore, I need to get back to where I was. If I'm really out of hope I'll do TEI and see, but I'm not seeing anyone 100% from it yet. I know Goose is close though, and I know mineral balancing fixed a few, so I believe it *can* - I just don't want to miss a thing that *might* work in a couple of months, before committing to something that *might* work in a couple of years.

But thank you all so much - really. I hope you'll all still read this, and if I'm about to do something RETARDED someone stop me?

 

[RebelWithACause]

I wish I started TEI from the beginning. But I understand that you want to try these routes. Who knows, one of them might work for you.

My life drastically changed I can tell you since crashing from the drug. Both GOOD and BAD.

In the beginning I tried to hold up appearances by using TRT, gaba drugs (phenibut), cialis, etcetera. Trying to live the same life I was living. Extremely stupid and I think it made me worse after a while. I did this twice. I was a stubborn MF.

The only advice that I can give you at this point - you can see if it applies to you or not:

You need to become egotistical. Don't hurt yourself just to be able to keep your current lifestyle. Sometimes it is good to lose the fat (bad people) and focus on your health. Then you can build it back up from the ground. The people will still be there. Or there will be different people. All good.

Good luck !

 

[bruschi11]

Only thing I’m saying is..:

You’re listening to “tryingnottoworry”- some like 21 year old dude in the year 2013 or so who didn’t have major pfs. His name was “tryingnottoworry” for a reason lol- his issues were minor compared to the lot of us here- you included.

You’re 36 and appear to have some major health issues this pill caused. I’m not saying “go tei, go tei” like rest of site here. But yea, that’s an option I’d highly suggest.

I’d just get testing done man. Hair analysis, stool analysis, maybe organic acids, pathogen/parisites type test.

Just see what is making you feel so bad. Because I can tell you one thing— a lot of us with pfs feel good on majority of days. You don’t.

Something other than just pfs is making you feel ill. And the fact that you aren’t recognizing that and making a valiant attempt to figure it out- then I think you have very little chance here.

Best of luck.

 

[jinstewart]

... I can tell you one thing— a lot of us with pfs feel good on majority of days. You don’t.

Something other than just pfs is making you feel ill. And the fact that you aren’t recognizing that and making a valiant attempt to figure it out- then I think you have very little chance here.

Best of luck.

Feel good on the MAJORITY of days??? REALLY??? Yeah, I've felt worse than ever on every single day since I crashed. Unbearably so. Maybe today mentally was a bit better in fact, but it's been dark and awful every day prior really.

I had the Geneva Diagnostics test done earlier in the year and saw a functional nutritionist about that, this week in fact I finish the probiotics I got.

Do you have any specific recommendations for other tests I might get done? Or just google what you suggested?

Sorry, what I quoted there definitely struck me. I can't imagine feeling normal most of the time anymore...

 

[bruschi11]

Feel good on the MAJORITY of days??? REALLY??? Yeah, I've felt worse than ever on every single day since I crashed. Unbearably so. Maybe today mentally was a bit better in fact, but it's been dark and awful every day prior really.

I had the Geneva Diagnostics test done earlier in the year and saw a functional nutritionist about that, this week in fact I finish the probiotics I got.

Do you have any specific recommendations for other tests I might get done? Or just google what you suggested?

Sorry, what I quoted there definitely struck me. I can't imagine feeling normal most of the time anymore...

Post the Geneva test here and you can at least show us something lol.

Great Plains organic acids is another.

But I think hair test might be best and cheapest place to start if you already have the Geneva test. But post that ASAP lol.

These are things I didn’t do when I was bad and lost too. I had a stool test done and just listened to dr that it wasn’t that bad and I just need some probiotics. There’s a lot more to it than that lol.

 

[jinstewart]

Geneva results: (You get a pdf so I'm typing these out

Microbiology:
Bacteriology:
Beneficial Bacteria:
Lactobacillus species - NG (no growth - have had probiotic pills for this)
Escherichia coli - 4+
Bifidobacterium - 3+
Additional Bacteria:
NPalpha haemolytic Streptococcus - 2+
NPgamma haemolytic Streptococcus - 2+
NPCitrobacter braakii - 1+
NPEnterobacter species - 1+
NPStreptococcus agalactiae gp B - 1+
Mycology: NG

Campylobacter specific antigen ◆ Negative
Enterohemorrhagic Escherichia coli Shiga-like Toxin ◆ Negative

Methodologies: MALDI-TOF MS, Automated and Manual Biochemical Methods, Vitek 2® System Microbial identification and Antibiotic susceptibility, Microscopic Examination, EIA and Macroscopic Evaluation

Lab Comments SENSI'S: All yeast, add'l bacteria

Human microflora is influenced by environmental factors and the competitive ecosystem of the organisms in the GI tract. Pathological significance should be based upon clinical symptoms and reproducibility of bacterial recovery. Sufficient amounts of E. coli appear to be present in the stool. However, Lactobacilli and Bifidobacteria were found in lower than optimal levels. Ample amounts of E. coli have been associated with a balanced gut flora. The "friendly bacteria", Lactobacilli and Bifidobacteria, are important for gastrointestinal function, as they are involved in vitamin synthesis, natural antibiotic production, immune defense, digestion, detoxification of pro-carcinogens and a host of other activities. Ideally, levels of Lactobacillus and E. coli should be 2+ or greater. Bifidobacteria being a predominate anaerobe should be recovered at levels of 4+.

Prescriptive agents:
CITROBACTER BRAAKII
R I S-DD* S NI
Ampicillin R
Amox./Clavulanic Acid R
Cephalothin R
Ciprofloxacin S
Tetracycline S
Trimethoprim/Sulfa S

Natural agents:
CITROBACTER BRAAKII

Berberine 60%
Oregano 60%
Plant Tannins 100%
Uva-Ursi 100%

Okay, that's as best as I can type it out. Hope that's helpful. Thankyouthankyouthankyou!

 

[bruschi11]

The E. coli being high and lactobacillus being undetectable tell me you have an issue in there for sure. I don’t care if they say it’s friendly- it’s not good when you don’t have enough good guys.

Probiotic pills do absolutely nothing. How are bowel movements currently?

I’ve posted extensively about kefir/ colostrum drink I do. Also @Ocguy gut drink and probiotic enemas (lol I got a new kick to these- mix with coconut water and let ferment for 3-5 hours.)

You don’t have to do all these but maybe try one of them.

These along with finding right diet, hair test balancing could have you well on your feet in a very short period of time.

You may have an infection though with that e. Coli something to keep an eye out for.

I know you want to get “cured” and all but realistically what your goal should be now is getting up on your feet and feeling well everyday. You do that with health.

Once you have health you can beat pfs. Anyone can.

 

[jinstewart]

I'm very grateful for the patient help, really thank you. I will certainly check out the kefir drink you make and get started on that.

Up until a couple of weeks back, bowel movements were half the time normal-ish, half the time bad diarrhea and cramps. Stank of ammonia too. Funnily enough, last couple of weeks (coinciding with stopping all supps of every sort for over a week) bowel movements have been a little soft-ish but almost back to normal and not diarrhea once. Bit green now though (lots of spinach.) Ammonia smell went too, now just kinda poop smell.

Diet is paleo but I did eat white rice from about a month back. Has been paleo since late December (as per Cdnuts' protocol.) No alcohol (haven't drank for 10+ years) don't smoke, no drugs etc. Breakfast now is chicken/beef and a potato and an apple, lunch the same, dinner is now 6+ scrambled eggs, steak/chicken/duck, potato. Spinach and rocket feature ofc now, usually do drink a kefir drink once a day too. I crept dairy back in after a time off, seemed fine to do. Also drink beetroot juice.

Lifted 5x/week for years, always previously ate to my macros but not super clean really. No weird habits or anything, was pretty boring!

Lifting though is HARD now and the 'sour headache' comes with it, though got slightly easier. I'm not able to lift what I once did. Had last week off and this week off too, something in me needed a little rest.

 

[jinstewart]

I started writing a PM to @bruschi11 with thanks in it - I don't like cluttering the forum with my ups and downs especially (sorry) but something is definitely definitely working, and I think it's the BroccoMax...

So, Sunday I masturbated early in the day (TMI apologies) and I think it crashed me kinda bad emotionally, hence all the upset.

IN my upset yesterday morning I took 10 pills of BroccoMax. I definitely felt a little bit better. Took same again this morning, feel MARKEDLY better. Masturbated twice last night and today I feel even better than yesterday.

I'm taking, well, a fair bit along with the spinach. Digestion isn't great and sexually erections are a little worse. Mentally though I'm REALLY REALLY coming along in just a couple of days. I think something on the original list is causing the sexual downswing.

I think this might be the beginning of something. I'm not scientific like any of you, and will get my hair test once experimenting is done. Progress though is very very hard to ignore, even with the sexual downswing. Of course NYscientist speculates it played a part in his recovery. I do feel HORRID on tribulus of course, so if the mechanism of sulforaphane reducing AR is a "thing" then it's a "thing" that definitely made a change in me.

Of course, Helen (the man the legend) used it in her/his recovery - and also recommended I don't take it if I don't know what I'm doing. I don't ofc, but I'm not yet mad enough to do eg fin-based experiments, just vegetable-based ones.

I think it'd probably be sensible to drop the supps down to the minimum from what I'm taking currently. NYscientist did 3 days on the BroccoMax and so I'm keen to try last does of ten tomorrow and then halt it for a bit.

Has anyone got anything to add that might explain or help me on this? Has my stumbling gotten me somewhere? Is there merit in running minimal supps (B1, B-multi, zinc, some chelation etc) and cycling BroccoMax as a protocol?

Thanks again everyone, sorry I'm a pest!

 

[HerrFisch]

@jinstewart

If you dont want to waste too much money on that Broccomax supplement, sprouting broccoli is really easy and cheap.
And you get 100-300 mg of sulforaphane a day easily. If its your plan to get that much daily ... ^^

 

[bruschi11]

@jinstewart

If you dont want to waste too much money on that Broccomax supplement, sprouting broccoli is really easy and cheap.
And you get 100-300 mg of sulforaphane a day easily. If its your plan to get that much daily ... ^^

Yea juicing broccoli sprouts too. It’s like potent- it gave me a stomach ache for hours lol. I was sick when I did it so don’t let my experiment scare you. I plan on trying again.

I’d probably separate spinach and broccoli / sulphoraphane experiments. I’m biased against spinach lol I’m on a crazy low oxalate diet now and have been reading about this stuff for days. Spinach is legit one of worst foods in world for oxalates.

But that may not be a problem of yours at all. We just don’t know who you are. So if you have the cash then testing is way to go.

 

[RebelWithACause]

Yea juicing broccoli sprouts too. It’s like potent- it gave me a stomach ache for hours lol. I was sick when I did it so don’t let my experiment scare you. I plan on trying again.

I’d probably separate spinach and broccoli / sulphoraphane experiments. I’m biased against spinach lol I’m on a crazy low oxalate diet now and have been reading about this stuff for days. Spinach is legit one of worst foods in world for oxalates.

But that may not be a problem of yours at all. We just don’t know who you are. So if you have the cash then testing is way to go.

@bruschi11 did you eat spinach raw?