Interesting protocol for restoring glutathione and functional vitamin B2. ( CFS)

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I think getting to b12/ FAD just kills candida/fungus and possibly pathogens rapidly. Its probably too much for you. As has been the case for me.

Remember.. @A98648 says his tongue gets white again when he stops the b12 oils. That tells me that b12 is wiping out his candida/fungal infections.

Gotta just get in a good body chemistry that allows you to live well on this protocol. Let it do its job- eventually you'll be able to handle b12. That's how I'm seeing this.
You’re right on. Because going too fast on this protocol makes me feel very similar symptoms that I get on valtrex. And I’ve also heard selenium has antiviral and antibacterial properties in it
 
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This addresses what Maxin have posted ago and my question regarding the effect of B2 activation of enzymes on CBC markers. Greg says it raises iron markers, my question was does any of you guys have came across testimony on readjusting of CBC markers back to norm after the initial increase in them due to B2 activation of enzymes e=and bone marrow ?
Greg talks in terms as if the people who asked him were iron deficient or in anemia, so their CBC markers from below range go into norm once they start the protocol . What about the people with norm within range iron CBC markers, are thy go over board while on this protocol, at least initially and do they com down to norm after a while or not ?
I can only see mention of ferritin coming down. I’m pretty sure I saw in the past a couple testimonials from people with high iron markers normalising but I can’t see them now. Just email him and let us know what he says. Also there is a lot of info in the fb group that will probably answer most of your questions
 
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Anyone else experiencing muscle weakness and joint pain? I'm gaining muscle size but super weak.

Re: previous conversation-
It's also my understanding from greg that our receptors are all highly upregulated due to our low production of many chemicals to attempt to compensate, so when we get the last ingredient that our body needs to start up methylation, we will feel shitty side effects due to being hypersensitive to certain neurotransmitters etc as our bodies have adapted. Which will very slowly adapt to normal production again.

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Halved my 75mcg t4 because I thought the protocol was making me hyper in conjunction with t4, but getting some hypo symptoms like fatigue, hair loss, cold extremities. Going to get a thyroid panel tomorrow.

Also switched 25mcg to before bed which avoids the irritability mostly, but I'm getting night sweats and insane dreams. Been feeling out of it during the day too. Acne on chest n back that I never get usually and puffy nipple. So estrogen seems coming up.

Seems like methylation is turning on. Going to take 25mcg molybdenum every other day for now to cut back.
 
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I can only see mention of ferritin coming down. I’m pretty sure I saw in the past a couple testimonials from people with high iron markers normalising but I can’t see them now. Just email him and let us know what he says. Also there is a lot of info in the fb group that will probably answer most of your questions

Im not in that fb group as many other arent as well, neither in recent email exchange with him.
Ferritin drops and CBC markers start to go up once one go on the protocol and b2 related enzymes start to work again, according to him.
Q is are all the CBC iron markers once they been up due to the protocol, do they go back to normal eventually !?
As you say it seems the testimonies arent there any more, what are they try to cover up.
 

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So I noticed a pattern with my multi. Whenever I take it I feel a bit down and during the day I gradually improve until I take the next dose in the evening. So basically there is a small window between the 2 dosages where I can actually feel joy. There is a tiny amount of zinc and also vitamin D in the multi and those 2 made me slightly depressed in the past.
 

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It seems as when I increase moly I need more zinc.

Which agrees with theory FAD increases cortisol production. As zinc, by increasing progesterone
can slow the cortisol production line (retaining potassium.)

Also if I go too high on zinc, taking extra calcium, magnesium helps to balance it off. Still, just can’t go too high on zinc, it’s not an option. It does something to my gut in a very bad way.
 
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that is what i was saying, only synthesis of FAD from FMN cant be in presence of FAD)) this is where his theory falls apart.. to make FAD with FAD LOL


thyroid makes ATP. then that ATP is connected to magnesium. and stored and then MG ATP is used to make FMN. there is no thyroid there,


Deficiency of thyroxine can results in deficiency of ATP in the body.


and Actually thyroid hormone spends nutrients, since you metabolize them faster.


Same as molybdenum will increase Need for FAD< so you will be spending FAD.




thyroid will increase the NEED for FAD so you will be spending it.


B2 is a B vitamin, the more you spend of it turning into FAD the less you have it.



the more thyroid hormones you have the more superoxide you make. the more FAD you need




this is why in toxic people body lowers thyroid, to actually save Mg ATP. And save FAD. since FAD is using for other things.

this is why all these people have very low B2 in blood

and according to Greggs theory they should have high B2 in blood, since you make no FMN and no FAD


SO the theory is WRONG. right in the root of it.



But increasing thyroid helps toxic people to feel more metabolism. and feeding extra B2 also helps along with all other minerals



Bottom line. You have exra need for FAD. your vitami b2 levels in blood go DOWN


and you are low on B2. not FAD) FAD is being used hard for some processes, like antioxidation, may be beta oxidation, may be aldehyde detox etc.


As your FAD is being used up, BODY TURNS OFF thyroid, since FAD is needd to make THYROID HORMONE


So the lower your vitamin B2 , not FAD , the lower your thyroid. and the lower your metabolism. Since actual FAD is being used up a lot



This is what I explained in electrolytes protocol.


But Gregg's theory falls apart at level of vitamin B2 in blood.



feeding iodine selenium and moly could be good to increases thyroid.

But that will spend even more B2.


this is why all these people use b2 then and without b2 it does not work.



SO to me, Greggs theory was that there is no FMN and FAD creation in the body. Then you get biounavailble B2 in blood, you simply dont make FMN and FAD

then why people have super low nonexistant B2 in blood and normal FAD levels.


I mean all those enzymes with FAD USE UP FAD, it is not like molybdenum wont use up FAD when it is with it in the enzyme. It will use FAD up.

and it is not like thyroid wont need more betaoxidation which uses FAD to do it. of course it will need more FAD and will use up more FAD.


This is the reason body raises reverse t3)) to save up FAD and NADPH, not to use them that much.


the body kills speed of metabolism to save some FAD and NADPH and people feel hypothyroid. and feel bad.



that is why on hairtests, the older you get normally the slower your metabolism gets, not because you are missing nutritnets, but because you get more and more toxic in stuff, which then required tons of glutathione.


And also WHY would the body need methylation and adrenaline when it already LOWERED the thyroid. It doesnot, that i why you see high b12 and homocysteine.

since the body tanked thyroid. to save FAD)



So I think this protocol might work and taking a multi and extra b2 was working for @A98648


I think overall protocol is good, but it has nothing to do with what Greggg is talking about. and B2 intake will be VERY VERY Important.


Also the bogus stuff about taking B12)) when people take b12 he says they get adrenaline.

and they need to go slow with it)) no Greg, they already have HIGH b12 in blood, so they dont need to take B12 to feel adreanline.))


they feel adrenaline from taking methyl donor METHYL B12. since without methyl donor their adrenaline does not work, and feeding b2 does not restore it)


Why? because feedding adrenaline in LOW thyroid state will cause HYPERVENTILATION. and people will be breathing out NON EXISTANT CO2.


This is why METHYLATION WORK ONLY WHEN THYROID GOES UP

And THYROID GOES UP< only when GLUTATHIONE IS NOT needed 24/7 for other processes. since thyroid will create super oxide and that will use up gluathione. and FAD.



I do think that taking THYROID plus heavy vitamin B and heavy amino acids. can speed up the process of chelation.


This is what this protocol is about. But it will be hard to lift metabolism with selenium and iodine, since the body will always go into reverse T3, until FAD system and glutathione system is not needed anymore.


This is why feeding b2 and all other supporting minerals are so important,

and actually TRACKING REVERSE t3 will show you if you therapy is WORKING


if your RT3 is going down on what ever you are doing. that means your body can afford higher metabolism.



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maybe I just didn’t understand this a few weeks ago. Or Brain was racing too much from protocol. I don’t know. But this is something I’m starting to feel as well overall. Also how Helen mentioned “there is something in the body causing it to waste b2 to FAD.”

It’s pretty obvious to me that FAD kills pathogens, Candida. Body likely wastes b2–> FAD for extensive time period. That pathway gets distorted. Moly is used up from getting to FAD from FMN as well.

This pathway should be taken into account though to major degree for many of us. Whether Greg is right or wrong about something, what’s important is how he has outlined this pathway for us and highlighted it’s relevance.

Yes it is gigantic in allowing the body to detox itself. Someone who has been working on detox for years with pfs, Lyme, cfs you name it? That person (like myself) ends up wasting b2 to a point of no return. Where you’re in a severe b2 deficiency and a complete fuck up of this pathway and co-factors. Body can’t get back on track unless you somehow get working on this pathway and correct it so you can proceed with detox.
 
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(And yes I’m up at 230am here on hack cuz I took too much zinc lol. Probably felt my best on this protocol tonight for a few hours and it was zinc doses and a steak that sparked the major feelings of reality. Then I took one extra 22mg dose before bed and booom the brain goes.)
 
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One thing I’ve realized from messing with this stuff really since mid October now, a month a half before finding out about Greg, is that I respond best to b2 when moly is supplemented with it. It needs to be carefully fed opening the valve from FMN to FAD.

Too much ? And the whole protocol is destroyed depleting the more important precursors. Moly is important to be sufficient in but an excess is probably worse than a deficiency no doubt about that from what I’ve experienced.

What’s interesting is how I only have had one hair test since early 2018 when I began them that shows sufficient moly. It was my very first test when my cfs was in remission.

Body probably wasn’t wasting moly or b2 on anything. Whatever was there was now gone for most part. Body had strong hold of everything. Sure some mercury was likely there, copper as the body was detoxing both as shown on hair test.

But I think mycotoxins, endotoxins were gone during that hair test. I did what it did to remove them the Prior 6 months. Body loved it- it didn’t need to waste b2 to FAD anymore. FMN (gaba) was sufficient with it and I was at peace.
 
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maybe I just didn’t understand this a few weeks ago. Or Brain was racing too much from protocol. I don’t know. But this is something I’m starting to feel as well overall. Also how Helen mentioned “there is something in the body causing it to waste b2 to FAD.”

It’s pretty obvious to me that FAD kills pathogens, Candida. Body likely wastes b2–> FAD for extensive time period. That pathway gets distorted. Moly is used up from getting to FAD from FMN as well.

This pathway should be taken into account though to major degree for many of us. Whether Greg is right or wrong about something, what’s important is how he has outlined this pathway for us and highlighted it’s relevance.

Yes it is gigantic in allowing the body to detox itself. Someone who has been working on detox for years with pfs, Lyme, cfs you name it? That person (like myself) ends up wasting b2 to a point of no return. Where you’re in a severe b2 deficiency and a complete fuck up of this pathway and co-factors. Body can’t get back on track unless you somehow get working on this pathway and correct it so you can proceed with detox.
I agree. But it also makes me wonder if it’s the chicken or the egg. Were we susceptible to Lyme/cfs/pharma injury because we were already chronically low in b2 for years prior? This is why recovery in this protocol can take a long time, because by the time we are sick we have been low for years. I know for me, as a ballerina I had to stay extremely underweight. I went through eating disorders as a teenager. All while overtraining. Then as a professional up until I became ill at 30, I trained 6 days a week and very little calories. So years of undereating and overtraining. By the time I took the ssri I was very nutritionally starved. Then bam, cfs.
 

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I apologize I can’t make paragraphs when writing on my phone on here. It ends up deleting. Something interesting on this protocol. My cravings of foods are totally shifting. Normally I reach for carbs and lots of red meat. I hate veggies fruits and have to force myself to eat them. Now, I notice I’m craving them like never before. And the thought of red meat has not been appealing. Must be my iron levels are improving?
 

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I agree. But it also makes me wonder if it’s the chicken or the egg. Were we susceptible to Lyme/cfs/pharma injury because we were already chronically low in b2 for years prior? This is why recovery in this protocol can take a long time, because by the time we are sick we have been low for years. I know for me, as a ballerina I had to stay extremely underweight. I went through eating disorders as a teenager. All while overtraining. Then as a professional up until I became ill at 30, I trained 6 days a week and very little calories. So years of undereating and overtraining. By the time I took the ssri I was very nutritionally starved. Then bam, cfs.
Yup, it was adderall In college for me. It came before Lyme, Candida. Adderall depletes b12.
 
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I apologize I can’t make paragraphs when writing on my phone on here. It ends up deleting. Something interesting on this protocol. My cravings of foods are totally shifting. Normally I reach for carbs and lots of red meat. I hate veggies fruits and have to force myself to eat them. Now, I notice I’m craving them like never before. And the thought of red meat has not been appealing. Must be my iron levels are improving?
Dude ! Same here. I always buy a filet or ribeye when I’m in the grocery store have not been able to buy it. I look at it and there’s no appetite for it. This used to be one of my favorite meals
 
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Still on this protocol. I am dosing twice per day of Io/Se/Mo, B1, B2 and Malic Acid

I've done 1 liver flush and released some good stones. My next flush is this coming Saturday.

After my first flush I stopped the malic acid. After a few days I became lethargic after meals with sugar, so I added malic acid back in. The energy boost and NADPH it results in seems to be very helpful, so I will stay on it. It also provides a noticable libido boost.

I juiced fresh oranges today and added 1/4 teaspoon potassium and 1/2 teaspoon pink salt. Felt kind of weird but feeling pretty good right now a couple hours later. I'm really working on increasing salt intake. I might regularly add potassium but will keep track.

My histamine issues seem to be getting better...? 2 days this week I had 8 scrambled eggs and felt relatively okay. The orange juice didn't cause much issue either, which citrus fruits usually lead to histamine symptoms. I wonder how I'd respond to a hot bath.

I wish results came faster but right now I will remain on this protocol along with malic acid and liver flushes every 2 weeks until no stones.

Very soon I will add borax once I know the liver and detox pathways are working a little better. That should help with sibo and candida.

While on this protocol I am finding liver somewhat repulsive...Not sure why. I normally eat it raw and have no issues but I find myself grossed out. Other meats are still fine. I wonder why...I'm sure I'm deficient in copper and copper is also needed to get histamine working.

I also plan on doing a cycle of clomid, dostinex, dexamethasone and an AI in the coming months once this all ties up.
 
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Still having a lot of adrenaline conversion, or receptor sensitivity. My dick is small and lifeless when flacid, but not when erect. My body temperatures are more stable tough and when I eat well I don't have cold hands anymore. Urge to watch porn also increased.
 

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Still having a lot of adrenaline conversion, or receptor sensitivity. My dick is small and lifeless when flacid, but not when erect. My body temperatures are more stable tough and when I eat well I don't have cold hands anymore. Urge to watch porn also increased.
How do you feel in the gym? Like pumps. Do you feel anabolic or catabolic?
 

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How do you feel in the gym? Like pumps. Do you feel anabolic or catabolic?
My energy fluctuates a lot, but on good days I feel pretty strong and anabolic while working out and have a decent pump.
 

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I must add that sometimes I feel really good and almost like no PFS at all. But these moments are rare and short lasting. The only thing I worry about is the vitamin D in the multi, I did bad on that in the past, low estrogen sides.