Hairsuit's PFS journey----

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Hey All,

So this is my entry into the PFS recovery game. I stumbled across this website a week ago and have been devouring it ever since. The encouragement and wisdom that exists here is pretty staggering. So, in detail, here is my story.

I'm 38 years old. I started using finasteride back in 2005 to combat hair loss. Things were fine for the first 5 years. Zero issues and just assumed I was one of the lucky ones. In 2012, I crashed, hard. I had no idea what caused it, or that it in anyway had any relation to finasteride. I had every mental symptom that existed. Head squeezing brain fog, insane panic/anxiety attacks, an intense sudden fear of disease and death where none existed before. In my line of work, a lot of it is done in the public eye, with interviews, etc. I would find myself in interviews searching for words that I knew....i could see them in my minds eye and knew what I wanted to say, but just couldn't put it together. Despite all of this, never any sexual side effects.
About three years ago I made the decision to switch from oral finasteride to topical finasteride, and slowly weened off of the oral. For the first time in years, the brain fog left and I felt normal, and the topical seemed to never go systemic. Fast forward to this past fall. I felt as if the topical was starting to lose effectiveness, so along with the topical fin, I made the terrible decision to start taking the oral again as well as use topical while derma rolling. Literally 2 weeks into this cycle, I got hammered. All of a sudden I had issues maintaining an erection, as well as dropping to almost zero libido.

So here I am, about 5 mos. post crash. My wife has been amazingly supportive, but for both our sakes, I am dying to get back to normal. My hope is that since I am relatively recently post crash, that the fight back won't be long and drawn out. That said, if it is, so be it; let's fight. Brain fog exists, but is bearable. The biggest issue is the sexual sides. My libido is almost non existent. I can have sex maybe every 4 or 5 days, but never ever approach that point of being ravenous for it anymore. I am hoping with all the information here, and with the help of the community, that I will be able to overcome these side effects. I would love advice from any and all of you as to how to form a plan of attack. There are so many protocols on the site here, that it is hard to determine which to follow, or which is pertinent to my situation. I had a hair analysis done two days ago, so as soon as those results are back to me, I can share them. I was thinking about maybe doing a 7 day water fast? My only worry with that is that I am in really good shape (5% body fat). I say that only to say that I don't have a lot of fuel to burn up except to start burning up muscle. Should that worry me? Also, are there ways to combat the PFS and the hair loss at the same time?

Excited to get cranking on this and I can't tell you all how much I appreciate the help in advance. HERE WE GO..........!
 

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One more thing that crossed my mind, just to add detail. Sexual thoughts seem non existent. Even just the thought of a roll in the hay used to get me going. Now, even if i try and make myself, thoughts of sex do nothing for me. It also seems like whenever my wife and I have sex, the next time around, the desire and intensity is slightly less. Is that possible? Is it possible that i could be getting worse?
 

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Alright guys. Dipping my toe in the water starting next week. Wife and I are in Paris until Saturday. Starting a ten day water fast on Monday. I should work one of the liver flushes in there, but was confused as to whether I should do it before or after the fast. Next, I had my ARL hair test done. The results are waiting for me back Stateside; just have to meet with the practitioner.

Three questions, and would greatly appreciate your input:
1) liver flush before or after fast?
2) @gbolduev says fasts are worthless if not greater than 30 days. I am very lean. I don’t think there will be anything left of me beyond 10 days. I will definitely be eating into muscle. How do you guys combat that? How do you do a longer fast if you’re low body fat?
3) if I follow the recommendations for my hair test, should that be all the protocol I need? Or are things like RU/prog still necessary? Does it vary?

Appreciate all y’all’s input. Thanks!
 

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Alright guys. Dipping my toe in the water starting next week. Wife and I are in Paris until Saturday. Starting a ten day water fast on Monday. I should work one of the liver flushes in there, but was confused as to whether I should do it before or after the fast. Next, I had my ARL hair test done. The results are waiting for me back Stateside; just have to meet with the practitioner.

Three questions, and would greatly appreciate your input:
1) liver flush before or after fast?
2) @gbolduev says fasts are worthless if not greater than 30 days. I am very lean. I don’t think there will be anything left of me beyond 10 days. I will definitely be eating into muscle. How do you guys combat that? How do you do a longer fast if you’re low body fat?
3) if I follow the recommendations for my hair test, should that be all the protocol I need? Or are things like RU/prog still necessary? Does it vary?

Appreciate all y’all’s input. Thanks!
If you go for hair test, you should just keep going the hair test advises, not mixing anything else.
I think for other questions, there is not a rule. It is just up to you to jump on a protocol and try it. Normally the advise is not to mix different protocols all together..
 

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So, an observation, and I’m assuming someone in here has a physiological explanation as to why it happens, but: Has anyone else experienced that the Brain Fog hits everyday at 10am? My morning will start out great. I will be clear headed and optimistic, and then around 930, I slowly start to feel it come on. Has anyone else experienced this, and what is the possible explanation?
 

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So, an observation, and I’m assuming someone in here has a physiological explanation as to why it happens, but: Has anyone else experienced that the Brain Fog hits everyday at 10am? My morning will start out great. I will be clear headed and optimistic, and then around 930, I slowly start to feel it come on. Has anyone else experienced this, and what is the possible explanation?
Waking up with brain fog? That is pretty much normal for any PFS suffer. I don't know the exact reasoning on why it is up, but my best guess is due to cortisol insensitivity. Cortisol is suppose to rise in the morning and you feel awake and clear headed ready to go, but since it is insensitive it doesn't work properly.

When I took RU before bed, I felt completely normal waking up in the morning. RU blocks cortisol, so from personal experimentation I think it is definitely related to cortisol insensitivity. Regardless of what exactly "causes" it, it doesn't really matter since all symptoms stem from the same issue so you fix the underlying cause and everything should resolve, no point on just focusing on individual symptoms (i.e. taking cialis to fix PE, but will do nothing in the long run besides maybe prevent some possible fibrosis)
 

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Absolutely @TubZy , ultimately the specific cause doesn’t matter. I was just wondering if maybe it was a clue as to how to attack it.
No, not waking up with it. Waking up perfectly normal. Like mentally, pre PFS Norma, and then by 1000am the brain fog comes on. I could literally set my watch to it. It’s so automatic that I thought maybe someone had a reason that could lead to a specific attack, that’s all. Thanks!
 
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Absolutely @TubZy , ultimately the specific cause doesn’t matter. I was just wondering if maybe it was a clue as to how to attack it.
No, not waking up with it. Waking up perfectly normal. Like mentally, pre PFS Norma, and then by 1000am the brain fog comes on. I could literally set my watch to it. It’s so automatic that I thought maybe someone had a reason that could lead to a specific attack, that’s all. Thanks!
Does it work the same way if you keep laying in bed with no activity till 10/11 am?
You could try that in a sunday/hollyday day.
Pay also attention to what you are eating during the waking up time and the brain fog coming in.
I noticed it happened to me, depending by the energy I was having and the food I was ingesting.
 

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Does it work the same way if you keep laying in bed with no activity till 10/11 am?
You could try that in a sunday/hollyday day.
Pay also attention to what you are eating during the waking up time and the brain fog coming in.
I noticed it happened to me, depending by the energy I was having and the food I was ingesting.
@wuf Hmmmmm. Not sure about if I stay in bed.....I have three kids, so that’s a near impossibility. I have been trying to pay attention to my diet to see if something might be triggering it. My mornings literally consist of a latté or a bulletproof coffee (coconut oil, butter, and stevia), 4 eggs and a yoghurt. Sometimes oatmeal. Doesn’t really change much from that.
 
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What I would do.. I would try to "shock" the body and change my habit to see what happens.
For sure it will change if you do chenge the habit you are doing now.
Example, try to hit the gym in the morning and see what is the response, or take a fake weekend trip and go to sleep to hotel to rest all day and see what happens.
I am still wondering if keeping a "good/diligent" life style is always the answer... I mean, we have receptors issue and a lot of chemistry interactions happening inside our bodies, who says that keeping living righ is the answer to heal?....maybe making some crazy stuff can be the kick start for recovery.
I would try to give a "drastic" change to this stucked situation just to see the reaction, so you will have a larger view about it.
Just my 2 cents.
 
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What I would do.. I would try to "shock" the body and change my habit to see what happens.
For sure it will change if you do chenge the habit you are doing now.
Example, try to hit the gym in the morning and see what is the response, or take a fake weekend trip and go to sleep to hotel to rest all day and see what happens.
I am still wondering if keeping a "good/diligent" life style is always the answer... I mean, we have receptors issue and a lot of chemistry interactions happening inside our bodies, who says that keeping living righ is the answer to heal?....maybe making some crazy stuff can be the kick start for recovery.
I would try to give a "drastic" change to this stucked situation just to see the reaction, so you will have a larger view about it.
Just my 2 cents.
Well put. For instance, my wife and I just took a weeks vacation in Paris this last week. Literally, out of nowhere, erections were back, libido was somewhat present. I was getting woken up at night with such strong erections that it hurt! We got back to the US on Saturday, and literally things have gone back to normal. Zero libido, zero erections. I don’t wonder if the jet lag and change of pace jump started something for a time.
I am constantly shocking the body through heavy weights, and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. Two a days sometimes. I will just keep going till I find something that works. Getting my hair test results this week. But yeah, you may be on to something with shocking the body.
 

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Well put. For instance, my wife and I just took a weeks vacation in Paris this last week. Literally, out of nowhere, erections were back, libido was somewhat present. I was getting woken up at night with such strong erections that it hurt! We got back to the US on Saturday, and literally things have gone back to normal. Zero libido, zero erections. I don’t wonder if the jet lag and change of pace jump started something for a time.
I am constantly shocking the body through heavy weights, and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. Two a days sometimes. I will just keep going till I find something that works. Getting my hair test results this week. But yeah, you may be on to something with shocking the body.
For sure relax and free mind help...
 
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Cool stories. Shocking the body, very interesting.

After prog, I was on a 2 day fasting - absolute no libido and no wood at any time. Yesterday evening, I started eating again and ate a lot. Libido came again, penis bigger again. Erections when thinking of sex. Of course, no comparison to pre fin. But...
 

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Cool stories. Shocking the body, very interesting.

After prog, I was on a 2 day fasting - absolute no libido and no wood at any time. Yesterday evening, I started eating again and ate a lot. Libido came again, penis bigger again. Erections when thinking of sex. Of course, no comparison to pre fin. But...
That’s awesome man! Yeah, if you think about it, that’s exactly what we are doing in a fast. Besides the physiological changes that are taking place, it is a form of shocking the body......
 

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Absolutely @TubZy , ultimately the specific cause doesn’t matter. I was just wondering if maybe it was a clue as to how to attack it.
No, not waking up with it. Waking up perfectly normal. Like mentally, pre PFS Norma, and then by 1000am the brain fog comes on. I could literally set my watch to it. It’s so automatic that I thought maybe someone had a reason that could lead to a specific attack, that’s all. Thanks!
i had this with panic attacks when i first crashed. I would get panic attacks at 7pm on the dot. I could be totally absorbed with something I was doing not even knowing the time and it would happen. Breathing + meditation took care of it when it came.
 
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So, an observation, and I’m assuming someone in here has a physiological explanation as to why it happens, but: Has anyone else experienced that the Brain Fog hits everyday at 10am? My morning will start out great. I will be clear headed and optimistic, and then around 930, I slowly start to feel it come on. Has anyone else experienced this, and what is the possible explanation?
Yes, this has been my experience over the last week or so. Wake up relatively clear minded then strong brain fog between 11-12.

How has your fast gone?
 
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Yes, this has been my experience over the last week or so. Wake up relatively clear minded then strong brain fog between 11-12.

How has your fast gone?
Yeah, it’s weird. Started coffee enemas this week. Done three so far. Every other day. Started doing Epsom salt baths. Put off the liver flush and then the water fast until after next week. Unfortunately have to travel for work, and can’t be all messed up doing it. Lol. But I’m anxious to get after it, for sure!
 
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Today was brutal. I am really noticing adrenal symptoms coming on. This week, the last two times I have tried to work out, I haven’t been able to finish my workout. I lose my drive and energy. Incredibly frustrating. I should probably take time off from lifting, but I just can’t do it.
Hair test results tomorrow. Looking forward to that. Liver flush on Saturday. Not looking forward to that/looking forward to that.
So, when I get my recommendations for the ARL , I’ll do the liver flush Saturday... that leaves actually doing the recommendations and a water fast still on the table for things I have to do. Can I do the water fast and then roll right into ARL? Would you hold off? Trying to figure out which is more important.
 
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Arl is a 12 week program.

But I think you gotta look a fasting as 6-8 weeek program as well. Would refeed for 4-8 weeks or so before doing anything major post fast. Let the body build back. Just betaine hcl, digestive enzymes natural type stuff post fast. Don’t want to create imbalances. Want the body to find balance post fast.
 

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@bruschi11 so then which is the greater priority? The fast or the ARL. Problem with holding off on the ARL, is that in that time, my body will be changing and the recommendations may be null and void. At the same time, universally, everyone has gotten great benefits from the fasts. Flip a coin day........