BUTYRATES ( Sodium butyrate , calcium , magnesium butyrates, BHB , GHB)

Helen

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just make sure you dont overload))) or you will end up like these guys))
 
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So, just to give a bit of an update...

All of the benefits I had gotten from taking GHB, mainly an increase in GABA (allopregnenolone) have stuck long after I stopped taking it. It has put me into my best mental state I have been in since getting PFS. I can handle anxiety sooooo much better and I have been thinking clearer and am beginning to feel more like my old self. GHB also pretty much fixes my sexual symptoms (temporarily unfortunately) and allows me to have some great sex too! But it is not a cure for PFS... But it's the closest I have felt to being back to normal in almost 3 years time. I have stopped taking it for sleep purposes because I don't want to become too dependant on it, and mainly just use about a half or just over a half dose before sexy time and it works every time. So in my case, I'm guessing I have some big GABA problems that GHB manages to bypass and kickstarts my sex drive. When I don't take GHB, I manage to get erections easily but I can't maintain them for too long and/or I will prematurely ejaculate, so these benefits only happen while I am on GHB and not when off it. The mental benefits have stuck though even when off the GHB, and I am so much better off because of them. To those suffering from anxiety related issues, give GHB a go!

As for sodium butyrate, I had been taking it together with the gut protocol resistant starches drink + probiotics for about 2-3 months before stopping, but the benefits to my gut have stuck too! Not sure if it's just because of the gut drink or the combination with the sodium butyrate boosting the probiotics and microbiome, but my gut feels so much better and stronger and I can handle much more foods than I could before. I hardly even need to use betaine HCl with most meals (used to use about 6 tabs with each meal before, now max 2 only with certain protein heavy meals) and the food feels like it digests just fine. I still avoid dairy, bread, high fat foods because those used to affect me the worst, but I can tolerate them in small amounts now whereas I couldn't at all before. Big improvement for me and I'm going to keep going with the gut protocol + probiotics + sodium butyrate for the time being. Everyone should be taking this combination to help restore their gut health!

That being said, I don't think the sodium butyrate did anything to help with the overexpressed ARs unfortunately, and if it did, it has been a very minor benefit and will probably take a much longer timeframe to work effectively. My penis is slightly less curved than before starting with the butyrate, but it is still curved and shortened, yet girthier at the same time - real weird. Seems like we need a better way of tackling the overexpressed ARs. R-Andro is still our best bet at this stage I think. I will be doing an R-Andro + GHB (+ 4-Andro maybe) run soon, but first I'm thinking of going on TEI to try and fix my sleep issues once and for all before anything else.

All in all though, feeling the best I have in a very long time. I can recommend anyone with PFS try out GHB and/or sodium butyrate, my baseline has only improved.

Anyone have any questions or suggestions of what to try next, let me know.
 
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@MaximalCrazy do you have bloods, or hairtest? do you know your hormone profile? high , low DHT? etc? cortisol

also sex on GHB, when do you have sex on it? I thought it knocks you out and then you get dopamine rebound and wake up in 3-4 hours.. that is when you feel sex drive, no?

or you feel sex drive right on it while having gaba action of GHB
 
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@MaximalCrazy do you have bloods, or hairtest? do you know your hormone profile? high , low DHT? etc? cortisol

also sex on GHB, when do you have sex on it? I thought it knocks you out and then you get dopamine rebound and wake up in 3-4 hours.. that is when you feel sex drive, no?

or you feel sex drive right on it while having gaba action of GHB
GHB makes you a pornstar, insane sensations and can go on for hours. The rebound makes you feel wide awake and causes troubles falling asleep.
 

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GHB makes you a pornstar, insane sensations and can go on for hours. The rebound makes you feel wide awake and causes troubles falling asleep.
so you dont fall asleep on GHB? people wrote that the rebound is when they felt horny? no? @MCurtone

kind of the same as people get horny from alcohol withdrawal.
 

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@Helen GHB is all about the dose. A lower dose is an amplifyer, making you more relaxed, horny, etc. Some people even use it before they go to the gym. However, once you reach a certain dose, about 4-5g, it will knock you out cold in deep sleep for 3-4 hours, after which the dopamine rebound will wake you up and you will not be able to sleep again any time soon (unless you re-dose). And yes, when you wake up, because of dopamine rebound, you're quite horny.

low dose = dopamine spike, high dose = no dopamine action, dopamine builds up, and boom rebound after some time.

@MaximalCrazy Can you go into detail how you use your GHB? I just got more myself and will be combining it with the butyrates.

I think using it to achieve deep sleep a couple times is key, and then after that you use it recreationally, or even a small dose at night to get buzzed, and then as it wears off you fall into a nice deep sleep.

GHB improved my baseline too, especially tolerance to stress and anxiety and mental clarity. I should probably do another run like I suggested and see if it helps even more.
 

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Also, now that all my bloods are in, I'm back on butyrates (BHB & Sodium Butyrate). Will keep everyone updated here/on my log.

Will likely throw in GHB soon. Initially recreationally before bed, then a couple sleeping doses as I increase the dosage slowly, else you end up with weird effects when you take too much at once too quickly.
 

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Also, now that all my bloods are in, I'm back on butyrates (BHB & Sodium Butyrate). Will keep everyone updated here/on my log.

Will likely throw in GHB soon. Initially recreationally before bed, then a couple sleeping doses as I increase the dosage slowly, else you end up with weird effects when you take too much at once too quickly.
Which bloods did you have run? How were they connected to the butyrates, or were they?
 

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Just started a new 4 month cycle of TEI. @Helen , assuming its a bad idea to be playing around with BHB and Sodium butyrates while doing a TEI cycle?
Yes don't use anything on the cycle.
 

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I am now on cycle #4, and my supplements for each of the prior three have been remarkably consistent. I asked for the extended cycle because of this, an am hoping that this is the cycle that really makes the biggest push of improvement. I have started to see progress in the last cycle and I'm hopeful.
 

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A word of caution though - GHB is crazy addictive, and you definitely don't want to get addicted to this shit or anything that fucks with GABA. Once you build a tolerance to GHB, the high/hypnotic/drunken feeling it gives you goes away completely and you only end up sleeping for 2 hours max at a time and you have to keep dosing it compulsively all day every day and that's when shit really hits the fan. If you go through withdrawals, your anxiety will go through the roof, you will get tremors and muscle twitches all over your body, and possibly even have convulsions/seizures. GHB is great in moderation, but it is not a toy and can fuck you up if you abuse it, so be careful and definitely do not use it every day. I have found from my experiences that if you redose more than once in a day, it leaves you quite wired for a while after and is not the most pleasant feeling, so I keep it to two doses a day max, once before bed and again 4 hours later, every 2nd or 3rd day. I'm not trying to get high, I'm trying to fix my fucked up body. You could also do 2 days on, 2 days off, or 3 days on, 3 days off, whatever works for you. Just don't take it every day, it loses its magic quickly.

Also, if you take it and sleep, make sure you stay asleep for those 4 hours. If you are going to dose it twice a night, time it right so that you will get 8 hours of sleep, no less. If you are woken up for whatever reason after say 3 hours instead of 4, that last hour you will be feeling wired and crazy nauseous especially if you move around and will probably throw up constantly. That has been my experience. This will also happen if you take too much GHB, so be careful with dosages too!
I may be misreading this, but if you can build anxiety inducing withdrawal with GHB, is that not just trading androgen disregulation for gaba disregulation?
 

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I may be misreading this, but if you can build anxiety inducing withdrawal with GHB, is that not just trading androgen disregulation for gaba disregulation?
This is a good question, but we shouldn't assume they "trade". Maybe they do, but you could get both. I sure as hell got withdrawals after 3 days of continuous use. Following 2-3 days were the worst of my life, but on day 4 I woke up a new person and felt great and baseline improved.
 
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Continuous Heal

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This is a good question, but we shouldn't assume they "trade". Maybe they do, but you could get both. I sure as hell got withdrawals after 3 days of continuous use. Following 2-3 days were the worst of my life, but on day 4 I woke up a new person and felt great and baseline improved.
What would be the theory behind experiencing withdrawal while still improving baseline? Shouldn't the snap back either be positive or negative... or was the day 4 the snapback...
 

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What would be the theory behind experiencing withdrawal while still improving baseline? Shouldn't the snap back either be positive or negative... or was the day 4 the snapback...
Seems that perhaps my gaba was upregulated, then using ghb continuously caused it to downregulate and lead to withdrawals/dependency. Upon stopping it forced the body to snap-back into balance rather than being too upregulated or downregulated. This is just theory though.