Bone loss PFS

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I'm gonna work on making my gut healthier thru prebiotics/probiotics and a stricter diet. I don't have digestive issues, but this just might be why my bones have still been in bad shape. I may have little to no absorption of nutrients which is why I haven't been improving much. I have taken probiotics and fasted but was never fully strict on diet. Now I will be. And I've been weight lifting and seen gains in strength but very little improvement in bone quality and muscle mass.

I do remember feeling very strange sensations in my gut and hearing strange movement when I first crashed. No parasites or bacteria were found so I thought I was good. But I have a very strong intuition after meditating on this, the absorption in digestive system was greatly damaged. Lets see if being strict with the probiotics and alkaline diet will help. I'll go for at least 3 months and report back. I'll add in magnesium citrate, calcium citrate and K2 with the herbs I take. I'll know there is progress, If I stop having bone pain.
 
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I'm gonna work on making my gut healthier thru prebiotics/probiotics and a stricter diet. I don't have digestive issues, but this just might be why my bones have still been in bad shape. I may have little to no absorption of nutrients which is why I haven't been improving much. I have taken probiotics and fasted but was never fully strict on diet. Now I will be. And I've been weight lifting and seen gains in strength but very little improvement in bone quality and muscle mass.

I do remember feeling very strange sensations in my gut and hearing strange movement when I first crashed. No parasites or bacteria were found so I thought I was good. But I have a very strong intuition after meditating on this, the absorption in digestive system was greatly damaged. Lets see if being strict with the probiotics and alkaline diet will help. I'll go for at least 3 months and report back. I'll add in magnesium citrate, calcium citrate and K2 with the herbs I take. I'll know there is progress, If I stop having bone pain.
Sounds like a solid plan man. Best of luck.
 

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Is there a test or something that can recognize that we have lost bone mass?
I don't really know if i believe this...
There is a BMD test. It measures bone mineral density. But that doesn't measure if you've lost bone mass. The doctor will probably tell you that you MIGHT have lost mass.
No one wants to believe this and I don't understand why people are denying it. Well it could be because it really sucks to lose bone mass.

A few signs are the extra lines in the skin in the bicep region, forearms, elbows, fingers, wrists, palms, feet, hip region. Those lines are not just from muscle or fat loss.
And this denial of bone loss really doesn't help people firstly understand the severity of what this drug does and second doesn't allow people to really fight to recover as soon as possible. It also doesn't help the cause or community as a whole.

Recovering from this is one of the "is it possible?" questions. No one knows, from what I've seen.
So prevention of bone loss is the best approach, that new crashers should be taking. In other words jump on a protocol that addresses this asap.
This is especially why denying it or saying its only fat loss/muscle loss is bad.
 
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There is a BMD test. It measures bone mineral density. But that doesn't measure if you've lost bone mass. The doctor will probably tell you that you MIGHT have lost mass.
No one wants to believe this and I don't understand why people are denying it. Well it could be because it really sucks to lose bone mass.

A few signs are the extra lines in the skin in the bicep region, forearms, elbows, fingers, wrists, palms, feet, hip region. Those lines are not just from muscle or fat loss.
And this denial of bone loss really doesn't help people firstly understand the severity of what this drug does and second doesn't allow people to really fight to recover as soon as possible. It also doesn't help the cause or community as a whole.

Recovering from this is one of the "is it possible?" questions. No one knows, from what I've seen.
So prevention of bone loss is the best approach, that new crashers should be taking. In other words jump on a protocol that addresses this asap.
This is especially why denying it or saying its only fat loss/muscle loss is bad.
A lot of people are talking about bone loss but just a few about pain while experiencing this. From all what I've read bone loss is really painful.
Ive Never experienced any pain in my bones.
 

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Anyone seeing improvements yet? My jaw has shrunken post finasteride, slow process and took like 6-12 months to notice. Also thinner wrist, knees and ankles.
You might have lactic acidosis which puts tons of pressure on calcium. Finasteride lowers NADPH, It might cause b1 deficiency , and without b1 you will have lactic acidosis.

Also you might try potassium bicarb. I know a person who I gave it to and he regrew the hole in his bone,. he had a bone cancer and cancer ate his bone and there was a hole. After I gave him potassium bicarb, the hole grew back.
 

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You might have lactic acidosis which puts tons of pressure on calcium. Finasteride lowers NADPH, It might cause b1 deficiency , and without b1 you will have lactic acidosis.

Also you might try potassium bicarb. I know a person who I gave it to and he regrew the hole in his bone,. he had a bone cancer and cancer ate his bone and there was a hole. After I gave him potassium bicarb, the hole grew back.
Any other symptoms of lactic acidosis? Currently supplementing B complex and beatine HCL with some protein meals. I also experience muscle weakness and tiredness throughout the day with low body temperature, slow breathing and cold hand and feet. It is weird because later in the evening I get more energy. Also working out feels like a burden.
 

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You might have lactic acidosis which puts tons of pressure on calcium. Finasteride lowers NADPH, It might cause b1 deficiency , and without b1 you will have lactic acidosis.

Also you might try potassium bicarb. I know a person who I gave it to and he regrew the hole in his bone,. he had a bone cancer and cancer ate his bone and there was a hole. After I gave him potassium bicarb, the hole grew back.
What dosage did you give this person?
 

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You might have lactic acidosis which puts tons of pressure on calcium. Finasteride lowers NADPH, It might cause b1 deficiency , and without b1 you will have lactic acidosis.

Also you might try potassium bicarb. I know a person who I gave it to and he regrew the hole in his bone,. he had a bone cancer and cancer ate his bone and there was a hole. After I gave him potassium bicarb, the hole grew back.
So do you think real bone loss could be recovered ? My chin disappeared overnight, preeceded by unbelievable pain and burning there, now my chin is very close to the lower lip, i needed to grow a beard otherwise i would look scary
 

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And how you know is calcium and not let's say sodium ? Bones contain a lot of sodium, and i get increased bone pain during stress, i thought was the body taking sodium feom the bones to stimulate adrenaline
 

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Is there lab work that can be performed to see if one has lactic acidosis?
 

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And how you know is calcium and not let's say sodium ? Bones contain a lot of sodium, and i get increased bone pain during stress, i thought was the body taking sodium feom the bones to stimulate adrenaline
bones are also collagen etc.. Calcium is just one component..
 

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Could someone if you send me some face photos of pre PFS time and after that? I just want to see how bad your facial changes are. I could send you some too.
 

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After reading many many logs... it's very much looking like a man under 30 years old has the best chance at recovering bone loss from pfs.

I've read Chi's posts and a few others that claim they recovered bone mass. Age range is what they all have in common. From low 20's to just below 30 yrs old.

Coincidentally, or not, It's our bone metabolism that changes when we hit 30.
At this age is when bone loss starts to set in VERY slowly especially if the person isn't active. The body's ability to build new bone (which it always does) drops significantly.

Rhemmannia is one herb that supports bone rebuilding but is it enough to recover bone loss??? idk...or even what the correct dosage would be.
 

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After reading many many logs... it's very much looking like a man under 30 years old has the best chance at recovering bone loss from pfs.

I've read Chi's posts and a few others that claim they recovered bone mass. Age range is what they all have in common. From low 20's to just below 30 yrs old.

Coincidentally, or not, It's our bone metabolism that changes when we hit 30.
At this age is when bone loss starts to set in VERY slowly especially if the person isn't active. The body's ability to build new bone (which it always does) drops significantly.

Rhemmannia is one herb that supports bone rebuilding but is it enough to recover bone loss??? idk...or even what the correct dosage would be.
I think many just had subcutaneus fat loss and mistake it for bone loss, i lost hope about recovering true bone loss
 

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Have you gone to see a bone specialist?
It may take several tests but I'm sure they'll find what is making you lose bone.

sounds like You have it worse than me and mine is pretty bad.

I've met other people that have bone loss but don't know it and they don't have pfs...most of then are asian. I can tell because they have the same line markers in their skin. And one of them as VERY thin bones. In other words, the length is there but not the width.

My observations show that we lose bone mass in different ways for different bodily regions. ex, length wise, width, overall etc....

Probably sounds weird...
 

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After reading many many logs... it's very much looking like a man under 30 years old has the best chance at recovering bone loss from pfs.

I've read Chi's posts and a few others that claim they recovered bone mass. Age range is what they all have in common. From low 20's to just below 30 yrs old.

Coincidentally, or not, It's our bone metabolism that changes when we hit 30.
At this age is when bone loss starts to set in VERY slowly especially if the person isn't active. The body's ability to build new bone (which it always does) drops significantly.

Rhemmannia is one herb that supports bone rebuilding but is it enough to recover bone loss??? idk...or even what the correct dosage would be.
You may also want to look into daily usage of horny goat weed (icariin), which is shown to increase bone density as well. Plus other manly benefits lol
 

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I've met other people that have bone loss but don't know it and they don't have pfs...most of then are asian. I can tell because they have the same line markers in their skin. And one of them as VERY thin bones. In other words, the length is there but not the width.
How old are these people? And could you describe these "line markers" in more detail? My wrists, hips, hands, feet, and face have all lost mass, but I don't see any lines.
 
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