Are we losing steam in finding cures?
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damn. but it goes quickly. I don't think I can remember exactly what it did to anxiety, but it's like this for me:
--more test, a bit better mood and happier. energized. more dht, yeah good for working out, raw strength, good for sexual gains, good for facial hair (androgenicity), but also, very very quick to agitation. --i don't think taking dht steroids would be safe for me. --i'd get into trouble.
--4andro calmed me down a lot, and i actually enjoyed working out and socializing, but the randro, it felt more like "just a necessary task". I needed both.
--too bad we can't just pick this up in store anytime we want, that and herbs.
--btw @Trump_1776 you were right a long time ago, when you said you got the herbs on the cheap. Since I now live close to some health food stores, yeah it's super cheap, in chinatown or at places like said stores, that have TCM and other herbs (like Eluthero, Schischandra, black ants cistanche, etc, etc).
--basically I like 4-andro mentally, I like randro strength wise, both added to muscle hardness and helped me fill out my frame a bit. Helped me gain 24lb in a couple long cycles. I kept 18lb with PCt alone and even no workouts a couple months. Then lost a ton of weight by accident, but I'm up and down. 180lb today, 172 lb a week ago.
--199 after the cycles of prohormones, 188 like a year or more 188-192.. then lost like 22lb but was injured, and still am. i don't just train weights. More strength per size, than pure hypertrophy, which is what I was after, but yeah, 199 definitely looks stronger than 172-180. -- A lot of this weight gain was due to being post fasted, and eating way mr.
--more test, a bit better mood and happier. energized. more dht, yeah good for working out, raw strength, good for sexual gains, good for facial hair (androgenicity), but also, very very quick to agitation. --i don't think taking dht steroids would be safe for me. --i'd get into trouble.
--4andro calmed me down a lot, and i actually enjoyed working out and socializing, but the randro, it felt more like "just a necessary task". I needed both.
--too bad we can't just pick this up in store anytime we want, that and herbs.
--btw @Trump_1776 you were right a long time ago, when you said you got the herbs on the cheap. Since I now live close to some health food stores, yeah it's super cheap, in chinatown or at places like said stores, that have TCM and other herbs (like Eluthero, Schischandra, black ants cistanche, etc, etc).
--basically I like 4-andro mentally, I like randro strength wise, both added to muscle hardness and helped me fill out my frame a bit. Helped me gain 24lb in a couple long cycles. I kept 18lb with PCt alone and even no workouts a couple months. Then lost a ton of weight by accident, but I'm up and down. 180lb today, 172 lb a week ago.
--199 after the cycles of prohormones, 188 like a year or more 188-192.. then lost like 22lb but was injured, and still am. i don't just train weights. More strength per size, than pure hypertrophy, which is what I was after, but yeah, 199 definitely looks stronger than 172-180. -- A lot of this weight gain was due to being post fasted, and eating way mr.
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Is undeconate epiandrosterone, the same as epi-androsterone, i.e. 4andro? ingreds pictured. Not sure if same andro hard. Actually ships to CDA, forgot that.
https://www.eurisotop.com › steroid-and-hormone
5A-ANDROSTAN-3B-OL-17-ONE (EPIANDROSTERONE) UNLABELED · 4-ANDROSTEN-11B,17B-DIOL-3-ONE (9,11,12,12-D4, 98%) (CHEMICAL PURITY 95 ...
this may be vaguely helpful. The Stanodrol Prohormone Profile | NewProhormones.com
i'm not great at chem.
also shd i buy any of these? Search Results for “andro” – Benjamin Bodde
https://www.eurisotop.com › steroid-and-hormone
5A-ANDROSTAN-3B-OL-17-ONE (EPIANDROSTERONE) UNLABELED · 4-ANDROSTEN-11B,17B-DIOL-3-ONE (9,11,12,12-D4, 98%) (CHEMICAL PURITY 95 ...
this may be vaguely helpful. The Stanodrol Prohormone Profile | NewProhormones.com
i'm not great at chem.
also shd i buy any of these? Search Results for “andro” – Benjamin Bodde
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Epiandrosterone is not 4-Andro. Not even close. Let’s make sure we’re tracking the right compounds before we throw around these statements. Epiandrosterone is Super Epi Andro Rx, combined with Androsterone (Super R Andro) to make the transdermal Andro Hard. You should not be aromatizing either compound as they’re DHT compounds. 4 Andro is 4-DHEA.
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Correct me if I'm wrong here, but at least in the e-pamphlet they mention 4-dhea in the product.
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Just out of curiosity, has anyone actually stayed on an R andro cycle for a long period of time like 6-8 weeks or longer before coming off? I know most usually do 4 weeks or less and come off. Would be interesting to see if the longer steady runs are more effective. I did a high dose R andro run a long time ago (500-1000mg per day) and it barely shut me down which I measured by blood tests. This was after taking it for close to 4 weeks so I'm wondering if a long steady cycle could be more effective for PFS possibly.
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ya was gonna mention the 4-dhea, ill just use ebay. post office less diagreeable with me now. i wrote the chemical formula down and responded to 80 threads back in the day but i couldn't be bothered to check, yesterday i was making fun of people, i was busy. My bad. It was mostly Trump, as usual.
4 andro is 4dhea nice. i did well on R-A/4-A.
Edit: I never remember these things. But I actually did do 3 or so mini cycles. And yeah it wasn't nearly as good. I think gaining like 24lb maximized cycling of both compounds for me. Like I only like some pct herbs now. Still, if I have some extra money, and I can keep it in the fridge for a time, I might try buying more. I don't think it will work as well now. But maybe not using it a year it will. Rather use tei and the other stuff I'm using anyways. It's fine not staying at max strength forever and ever.
Yeah I think it worked Feb till July last year or so, then trying it several times in the subsequent months it did not, and I already had TEI on hand, so I just used that.
4 andro is 4dhea nice. i did well on R-A/4-A.
Edit: I never remember these things. But I actually did do 3 or so mini cycles. And yeah it wasn't nearly as good. I think gaining like 24lb maximized cycling of both compounds for me. Like I only like some pct herbs now. Still, if I have some extra money, and I can keep it in the fridge for a time, I might try buying more. I don't think it will work as well now. But maybe not using it a year it will. Rather use tei and the other stuff I'm using anyways. It's fine not staying at max strength forever and ever.
Yeah I think it worked Feb till July last year or so, then trying it several times in the subsequent months it did not, and I already had TEI on hand, so I just used that.
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I did 7 weeks earlier in the year but I think I was too "far gone" into early PFS for it to do much of anything. Worked my way up to 600mg. Didn't actually feel hugely different on or off it. Have a TON of it (sorry guys think I bought the last 7 bottles anywhere) plus a few bottles of var also. I ran it (randro) for about a month in the summer too, again didn't change my life but maybe did a bit more for me.
Next trial of anything hormonal might be low dose R andro or var and/or 75mg Test Prop for ten weeks then PCT, just to stir the pot on the HPTA axis or give the androgen receptors a smack up or down, along with HCG, then clomid and nolva PCT and see what that gets me. Undecided for the moment though and a LOT more research needed.
Next trial of anything hormonal might be low dose R andro or var and/or 75mg Test Prop for ten weeks then PCT, just to stir the pot on the HPTA axis or give the androgen receptors a smack up or down, along with HCG, then clomid and nolva PCT and see what that gets me. Undecided for the moment though and a LOT more research needed.
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dude i did like 10-12 weeks twice last yr. pct like 20 weeks up until tei, then 10 random weeks or more this year in jan or feb. then i rans out of the latter (kingsblood). and i ran out of randro and 4andro (maybe 10-14bottles each) by june or july last yr, then did nothing, then tei sept or oct. hence gaining 24lb. fasting and ra/4a + food. + electros. + awesomeness. either 10 weeks total or 20 or 18. or whatever a lot you know. hence gaining 24lb that n fasting. etc. ad infinitum. cant post. bots be outta ctrl. ctrl alt delete ctrl alt delete. fission mailed.
--did long cycle based on giuseppecool's and possibly aztec or some other's recommendation (try running a long med dose cycle). i ignored the second part and went as hi as possible sometimes. actually prolly only gained 19.8-20lb. 180.8-199.8lb at max. myb even 198. 192 cut back, no water weight 188-190. now far skinnier but still fluctuate sometimes on purpose sometimes j randomly. i.e. 171-180lb. baseline: 173-177lb.
--did long cycle based on giuseppecool's and possibly aztec or some other's recommendation (try running a long med dose cycle). i ignored the second part and went as hi as possible sometimes. actually prolly only gained 19.8-20lb. 180.8-199.8lb at max. myb even 198. 192 cut back, no water weight 188-190. now far skinnier but still fluctuate sometimes on purpose sometimes j randomly. i.e. 171-180lb. baseline: 173-177lb.
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There does seem to be a reoccurring high estrogen high Dht thing going on
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